* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. HOPEFULLY YOU'RE STAYING. COOL. I'M GONNA CALL TODAY'S PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. THE CALL OF TODAY'S MEETING IS TO REVIEW SPECIFIC ITEMS FROM THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT AS REQUIRED UNDER THE CAMBRIDGE MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 2.128, SECTION 2.12 8.060. THAT IS CMA 20 26 44, SUBMITTED TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 9TH, 2026. IN ADDITION, THE COMMITTEE WILL ALSO BE REVIEWING CMMA 20 26 1 20 RELATIVE TO A SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IMPACT REPORT. A STIR FOR THE OPEN ARCHITECT STUDENT DATA PLATFORM. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS PRESENT. COUNCILOR ZUBI. PRESENT. PRESENT, COUNCILLOR MCGOVERN. PRESENT. PRESENT, COUNCILLOR NOLAN. PRESENT. PRESENT, COUNCILLOR SIMMONS. PRESENT. PRESENT, COUNCILLOR SAPRINA WHEELER. PRESENT. PRESENT. THAT'S FIVE MEMBERS PRESENT. THANK YOU. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2025, ADOPTED BY MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL COURT AND APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR, THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED TO USE REMOTE PARTICIPATION AT MEETINGS OF THE CAMBRIDGE CITY COUNCIL AND ITS COMMITTEES. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDS THIS MEETING AND MAKES IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR FUTURE VIEWING. THIRD PARTIES MAY ALSO BE AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDING THIS MEETING. IN ADDITION TO HAVING MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, WE HAVE ALSO SET UP ZOOM TELECONFERENCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND SIGNUP IS AVAILABLE UNTIL 3:30 PM. IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE VISIT THE CITY COUNCIL SECTION OF THE CITY'S WEBPAGE, INSTRUCTIONS FOR HOW TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK OR POSTED THERE. ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED SIGN A PROCEDURE, YOU'LL RECEIVE A LINK TO THE ZOOM MEETING. TO WATCH THE MEETING, PLEASE TUNE INTO CHANNEL 22 OR VISIT THE OPEN MEETING PORTAL ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. WITH THAT, ALL OF TODAY'S VOTES, IF ANY, WILL BE BY ROLL CALL. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A QUICK ROUND OF INTROS AND MAYBE WE CAN DO NAME AND TITLE. UM, WE CAN START HERE ON MY LEFT WITH COUNCILOR MCGOVERN. NAME AND TITLE. SORRY, I WAS RE I WAS READING, UH, COUNCILOR MCGOVERN . DENISE SIMMONS, ALIA'S GRANDMOTHER GIDEON EPSTEIN WITH THE ACL U. FRED CABRAL, UH, SUPERINTENDENT SUPPORT SERVICES CPD AND PAULINE WELLS POLICE COMMISSIONER. UH, PATTY NOLAN, CITY, COUNSELOR CHIEF. AND SABRINA WHEELER, CITY COUNSELOR. CITY CC CITY SOLICITOR. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ALSO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN WE'D LOVE TO INTRODUCE THE BENCH AS WELL. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR BEING LATE. MEGAN BEAR CITY SOLICITOR AND I'M JOINED BY KATE MOLA, OUR FIRST ASSISTANT CITY SOLICITOR. AWESOME. AND WOULD YOU MIND ALSO INTRODUCING WHO'S JOINING US AS WELL FROM THE CPD? SURE THING. I HAVE WITH ME, DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT, UH, PETER LUCCI, DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT JOHN BOYLE, AND OUR PSU AND TRAINING DIRECTOR JIM HY. AWESOME, THANK YOU. UM, WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING SOMEONE FROM CPS, UH, HOPEFULLY, SINCE I KNOW TWO OF THE TOOLS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE RELATED TO THE CAMBRIDGE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SO THE ORDER OF TODAY'S HEARING IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. THEN WE'LL DO EACH SURVEILLANCE TOOL, UH, PULLED ONE BY ONE, BUT WE'VE GOT ABOUT TWO HOURS AND THERE'S ABOUT FIVE TOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED TO DISCUSS. SO HOPEFULLY ABOUT 20 MINUTES PER TOOL. UH, AND TO YOU, MADAM CHAIR, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THE SCHOOLS WILL BE JOINING ON ONLINE. UM, AND IT WILL BE DAMON SMITH, THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, AND LEE MCCANN, THE, UM, CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER. THERE YOU ARE. YOU'RE HIDDEN. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? OH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DAMON SMITH. I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF THE CAMBRIDGE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. AND HI THERE. I'M, UH, DR. LEE MCCANN. I'M THE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE CAMBRIDGE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. COOL. THANK YOU, UH, APPRECIATE THAT. SO, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT ABOUT TWO HOURS. THERE'S ABOUT FIVE TOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN POOLED, SO WE'LL HOPEFULLY DO AROUND 20 MINUTES PER TOOL. I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN TO MADAM CLERK TO HELP WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT ONE PERSON SIGNED UP. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ALEX MATTHEWS. HI EVERYBODY. MOST OF YOU KNOW ME. I'M ALEX MATTHEWS. I'M THE CO-CHAIR OF VOLUNTEER CAMBRIDGE BASED CIVIL LIBERTIES GROUP, DIGITAL FOURTH. UM, AND I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF. WE ALREADY SUBMITTED DETAILED WRITTEN TESTIMONY COVERING EACH OF THE TECHNOLOGIES UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY ON AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION. AND WITH RESPECT TO SHORT SPOTTER, WE ARE [00:05:01] RECOMMENDING REVOCATION OF THE, UM, SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY IMPACT REPORTS THAT GOVERN THOSE TECHNOLOGIES, UM, BASED ON THE PRIOR DECISIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISENGAGE FROM THOSE TECHNOLOGIES. AND THAT IS TO MY, OUR MIND, HOUSEKEEPING. IF THE CITY DECIDES TO DEPLOY FUTURE GUNSHOT DETECTION OR AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, THEY CAN DO IT WITH KNOWLEDGE OF A NEW VEMONE SUBJECT TO A NEW STIR. WE FURTHER RECOMMEND SUSPENDING APPROVAL OF THE DEPLOYMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS AT CENTRAL SQUARE, AND WE ESPECIALLY OPPOSE THE EXTENSION OF THOSE CAMERAS TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. THE STIR ASSERTS WITHOUT EVIDENCE OR ANALYSIS THAT THESE CAMERAS HAVE DETERRED CRIME, BUT EVERY INCH OF SIDEWALK WITHIN THE CENTRAL SQUARE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS ALREADY COVERED BY PRIVATE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND CAMBRIDGE PD HAS THE ABILITY TO REQUEST THAT FOOTAGE. CAMBRIDGE PD PROMISED THAT THERE WOULD BE A POLICY IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE DEPLOYMENT OF THESE CAMERAS AT CENTRAL SQUARE. NO SUCH POLICY HAS EMERGED OR BEEN PRESENTED IN ANY PUBLIC FORUM TO OUR KNOWLEDGE. CCTV AL, UM, ALSO HAS A SHAKY EVIDENTIARY BASIS IN TERMS OF WHETHER IN THE CONTEXT OF PUBLIC FACING SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, IT ACTUALLY REDUCES CRIME RATHER THAN DISPLACING IT TO OTHER AREAS. SO WE FEEL THAT CERTAINLY WITHOUT A POLICY IN PLACE, THE CITY SHOULD NOT CONSIDER EXPANDING IT TO OTHER AREAS. ON THE BRICK, WE HAVE ENGAGED ON BRICK RELATED MATTERS IN THE CITY'S ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY PART, UH, UM, PARTICIPATION WITH BRICK IN MANY FORUMS AND OVER MANY YEARS. BRICK HAS A LENGTHY AND HORRIFYING RECORD OF SURVEILLANCE, NOT BASED ON REASONABLE SUSPICION OF YOUNG MEN OF COLOR, IMMIGRANTS, MUSLIMS, ACTIVISTS, FILMMAKERS, JOURNALISTS AND PROTESTORS. AND IT'S ACTIVELY PART, UM, PARTNERS WITH DHS LAST ON THE OPEN A ARCHITECTURE. IT WAS SUBMITTED USING THE WRONG FORM FOR ALREADY APPROVED TECHNOLOGIES, AND AS A CONSEQUENCE DOESN'T INCLUDE INFORMATION ON ACCESS OR RETENTION OF THE DATA INVOLVED. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE'VE SIGNED UP. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO OUR SPEAKER. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE FURTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL CITY COUNCIL@CAMBRIDGEMA.GOV AND THE CITY CLERK. SO YOUR COMMENTS RECORDED, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCILOR ZUBE? YES. YES. COUNCILOR MCGOVERN. YES. COUNCILOR NOLAN? YES. YES. COUNCILOR SIMMONS. YES. COUNCILOR SPRING WHEELER. YES. YES. THAT'S FIVE MEMBERS VOTING. YES. THANK YOU. UH, SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT POOLED WILL BE ASSUMED AS SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE UNLESS A MOTION OR A POLICY ORDER IS PUT ON THE FLOOR. UM, AS WE KNOW TOOLS CAN BE REVIEWED IN THE FUTURE. SO THE CONVERSATION IS, IS ONGOING KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF TOOLS IN THIS, UH, ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. SO JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS PASSED IN 2018, UH, PROVIDES THE CITY COUNCIL WITH CERTAIN OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY OVER TECHNOLOGY TOOLS THAT THE CITY USES ACROSS MANY DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CAMBRIDGE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND OTHERS. UM, SO FOLLOWING AN ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT, WHICH IS THE VERY LONG PACKET THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE COUNCIL CAN RECOMMEND MODIFICATIONS, CAN REQUEST A REPORT BACK FROM THE CITY MANAGER ON, UH, REMEDIAL STEPS, OR CAN EVEN DISAPPROVE FURTHER USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY. AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE COUNCIL ALSO RETAINS THAT AUTHORITY, UM, IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. A SEPARATE HEARING AND VOTE HAS ALREADY HAPPENED ON SHOTSPOTTER, AND IT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START WITH CPD AND GENERALLY COVER, UH, BRICK CRIME VIEW DASHBOARD, A LPR AND PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS. AND THEN WE'LL TURN TO CPS ONLINE TO DISCUSS OPEN ARCHITECTS, WHICH WAS REFERRED, AND THEN THE BUS VIDEO RECORDERS, WHICH INCLUDES POTENTIALLY THE GPS DEVICES AND EDU LOG TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN. UM, SO WE'LL START OFF WITH BRICKX CRIME VIEW DASHBOARD. IT'S FORMALLY KNOWN AS OMEGA, AND YOU CAN FIND THIS UNDER NUMBER 18 ON THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE THAT IS. SO MAYBE WE CAN TURN THE FLOOR TO CPD. CAN, ARE YOU ABLE TO BRIEFLY WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE [00:10:01] TOOL IS AND WHAT IT DOES? I CAN, YES. UM, THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO, AS YOU KNOW, BRICK CRIME EXPLORER DASHBOARD, UM, THAT'S THE PART OF BRICK THAT WE USE. AND FOR INVESTIGATORS, WE USE THIS DATA TO IDENTIFY NEXUS TO CAMBRIDGE THROUGH PAST CRIMINAL HISTORY, RECOGNIZING CRIME PATTERNS AND CROSS JURISDICTIONAL TRENDS. UM, THE DATA, UM, THAT WE PROVIDE AND THE DATA THAT THE OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS TO BOSTON PROVIDE GOES INTO, INTO A DATABASE THAT IS ONLY INSIDE OF BPD INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S A LOOP PLATFORM FROM LIMITED ACCESS TO THOSE COMMUNITIES. ONLY ACCESS IS LIMITED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE CS, UH, CGIS CERTIFIED, WHICH MEANS WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT, DATA CERTIFIED PERSONNEL SWORN AND, UH, CRIME AL ANALYSTS. NO FEDERAL AGENCY HAS ACCESS TO ANY OF THAT DATA. ANY EXTERNAL REQUESTS ARE REDIRECTED TO THE ORIGINATING AGENCY. SO THEY WOULD NOTIFY US IF THERE WAS ANY SORT OF A REQUEST FROM ANY AGENCY OR ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE ACCESS TO, UM, WHO GIVE THEIR CRIME INCIDENT REPORTS TO THE PLATFORM. UH, WE HAVE WEEKLY CONTROLLED DATA UPLOADS FROM CAMBRIDGE INTO THE DASHBOARD. CPD ONLY SHARES SUPERVISOR APPROVED NON-CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS. SO CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT DATA DUMP. ANYTHING, ANY DATA OLDER THAN THREE YEARS IS PURGED AND THERE'S NO DATA COLLECTION BASED ON ANY PROTECTED CHARACTERISTICS. SO LITERALLY ONLY OUR INCIDENT REPORTS THAT ARE NON-CONFIDENTIAL ARE ENTERED INTO THAT DATABASE. IT DOES SUPPORT REGIONAL CRIME SOLVING, BUT IT ALSO, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE USE IT FOR IS LARGE EVENTS AND EVENT PLANNING. WE USE IT FOR COMMENCEMENTS, WE USE IT FOR MAYFAIR, WE USE IT FOR BOSTON CALLING THE DANCE PARTY JULY 4TH, THE CARNIVAL, THE REGATTA, OCTOBER FEST, AND THE UPCOMING FIFA, UM, EVENTS THAT WILL BE HAPPENING, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. SO THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A TOOL THAT ENABLES US TO HAVE REGIONAL AWARENESS. IT IS NOT USED FOR ANY OTHER TYPE OF ANYTHING. UM, AND I THINK I WILL STOP THERE. THANK YOU. AND I'LL ALSO TURN TO CITY SOLICITOR, BAYER LAW DEPARTMENT, AND GIDEON, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT TO ADD ON BRICK THAT'S RELEVANT. OKAY. NOTHING FROM US. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO COUNSELORS. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BRICK CRIME VIEW DASHBOARD AND ANYTHING THAT WAS JUST SHARED, COUNCILLOR NOLAN, THANK YOU. IF I COULD THROUGH YOU AT ACL U, YOU SAID YOU WOULD KNOW A STATEMENT OR ANYTHING IN THIS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE. IT SEEMS, GIVEN THE PRESENTATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT ADDRESSES MANY OF THE CONCERNS WE MIGHT HAVE ABOUT SURVEILLANCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT. SURE. UH, I THINK A QUESTION THAT COMES UP FOR US, SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY, UH, FOR LARGE EVENTS, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS USED WITHOUT INFRINGING ON, UH, ESPECIALLY PROTESTERS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS IN THE CURRENT DAY AND AGE? UM, AND IS THIS TECHNOLOGY USED FOR THOSE SORTS OF GATHERINGS? CAN YOU JUST REPEAT THE LAST PART OF THAT? I'M SORRY. UH, JUST IS, IS THIS TECHNOLOGY, IS THIS TECHNOLOGY, UH, USED TO MONITOR, UM, FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTED ACTIVITY SINCE IT'S USED FOR OTHER LARGE GATHERINGS, UM, THROUGH YOU MADAM CHAIR? NO, IT IS NOT THE, WE USE IT FOR THREAT ASSESSMENTS ONLY FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL EVENT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OUTSIDE THREAT THAT'S COMING IN, LIKE SOMEONE WHO MIGHT, UM, HAVE WEAPONS OR SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE ANY IDEAS ABOUT SOMEHOW INTERFERING WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DRIVING A TRUCK OR A CAR THROUGH, THROUGH THE CROWD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S JUST FOR THREAT ASSESSMENTS. THANKS. I'M, I'M SET. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? COUNCILLOR, SABRINA WHEELER. UM, THANKS, MADAM CHAIR THROUGH YOU. I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE, WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE BRICK, UH, DASHBOARD AND INFORMATION. UM, IT, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN PREVIOUS REPORTING ABOUT HOMELAND SECURITY, HAVING ACCESS TO BRICK DASHBOARD INFORMATION. UM, THERE'S A REPORT FROM WBUR ABOUT, UH, INFORMATION ON BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS BEING SHARED WITH, UH, BRICK, UH, AND THEN HOMELAND SECURITY, UH, HAVING ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION, ICE, OF COURSE, BEING UNDER HOMELAND SECURITY. [00:15:01] UM, COULD YOU CONFIRM I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENT. DOES THE BRICK, IS BRICK IS COMPLETELY, UH, ISOLATED FROM HOMELAND SECURITY AND NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, OR ARE THERE FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ABLE TO ACCESS THE DATA THAT'S IN BRICK THAT CAMBRIDGE IS SHARING WITH BRICK, UH, THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR? UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE ONLY PART OF BRICK THAT WE USE IS THE CRIME EXPLORER DASHBOARD. AND, AND IN THAT DASHBOARD, FEDERAL AGENCIES HAVE ZERO ACCESS TO IT. THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT SCHOOLS, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE, BUT IT'S ONLY THE DATA FROM RE IT'S THE REPORTS THAT WE PUT IN, WHICH ARE SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL. AND, AND THE, AND THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE IN THERE. IT'S JUST THEIR REPORTS THAT GO IN TO THAT PARTICULAR DASHBOARD. NOBODY ELSE HAS ACCESS TO IT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO PUT, PUT THE INFORMATION IN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT I YOU'RE BACK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, COUNCILLOR SIMMONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. JUST CURIOUS HOW WE CHOSE WHO SITS AT THE TABLE TO TESTIFY. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A CLU WHO'S SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF SURVEILLANCE AND CIVIL LIBERTIES RIGHTS. WE HAVE OUR LAW DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS CONNECTED TO REALLY ALL DEPARTMENTS IN TERMS OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, CPD, WHICH, UH, SUBMITTED THIS REPORT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNSELORS MAY HAVE. AND THEN CPS WILL BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE REPORTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED RELATED TO CPS SPECIFIC TOOLS. AND THROUGH YOU AND TO YOU MADAM CHAIR, WHO REPRESENTS THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS THROUGH WHICH, AND UNDER WHICH THESE SURVEILLANCE MECHANISMS ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA PUT IT. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S ONE SIDED. I I'VE SEEN THIS GENTLEMAN BEFORE, I KNOW MY WORK WITH HIM DOES NICE WORK. HE REPRESENTS AN ORGANIZATION. I'M WONDERING HOW DO WE CENTER AND USE TO USE A WORD THAT YOU USE AND I APPRECIATE IT. HOW DO WE CENTER THE VOICES OF OTHER PEOPLE? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE HERE AS REPRESENTATIVES, RIGHT? WE'RE ELECTED TO REPRESENT PEOPLE, AND ALSO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONTINUE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THESE TOOLS. SO UNLESS EMOTIONS PUT ON THE FLOOR, UNLESS A PO IS MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S STILL ROOM FOR DISCUSSION. SO THIS IS A FINITE, CERTAINLY. SO I'LL SAY THIS, PLEASE LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT I FEEL THAT THE, UH, PRESENTATION MAY BE SOMEWHAT UNBALANCED GIVEN WHO'S REPRESENTING AND WHO'S BEING HEARD AT THIS MEETING. AND ALSO LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT. I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY, UH, WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL. I MEAN, I KNOW THIS WORKS FOR MY COLLEAGUES, BUT MAY NOT, UM, OR I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW YOUR NAMES, SO I CAN'T CALL YOU. WHAT'S YOUR NAME, MR. EPSTEIN? MR. EPSTEIN, YOU KNOW, MAY WORK FOR HIM. BUT IF, IF SURVEILLANCE IS ABOUT MAKING THE CITY SAFE, THEN, AND I'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, OR THE INCLINATION IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HEAR FROM OTHER FOLKS BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING DECISIONS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE POLICY PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES FOR OUR CITIZENS AND FOR OUR CITY. BUT I THINK WE'RE ALSO NEGLIGENT IF WE DO NOT FIND WAYS TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO THESE POLICIES, PRACTICES, AND PROCEDURES ARE BEING IN PLACE FOR. SO I APPLAUD YOUR DILIGENCE AND YOUR DETERMINATION AND YOUR INTEREST. I JUST WANT US ALL TO BE COGNIZANT THAT WE ARE TALKING FOR PEOPLE AND NOT TWO PEOPLE. AND AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I TAKE GREAT EXCEPTION TO THAT. THANK YOU. I YIELD THE FLOOR. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, AND THERE'S DEFINITELY ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT RECEIVED. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEP. COUNCILOR MCG. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR THROUGH YOU. JUST ON, UM, I THINK THIS IS SORT OF A MORE GENERAL QUESTION, BUT IT PERTAINS TO BRICK. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC EVENTS, WE, WE DON'T USE ANY FACIAL RECOGNITION OF ANY KIND IN CAMBRIDGE, CORRECT? THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ZERO. OKAY. NONE WHATSOEVER. SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT SCANNING PROTESTS, REC NO REC WHERE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE, WE MIGHT GET SOMETHING THROUGH THIS, THE NAME OF SOMEONE WHO, WHAT MIGHT SHOW UP, COULD SHOW UP AT AN EVENT, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO, OH, IT DEPENDS ON IF WE HAVE A THREAT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE INVESTIGATE IT, WE DON'T JUST, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING COMES TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE, WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF FOR WHATEVER THE EVENT MAY BE, UM, THAT'S WHEN WE COULD USE THIS INFORMATION AND THAT THERE'S NO AI AND THERE'S NO FACIAL RECOGNITION. THANK YOU. AND THAT WOULD COME THROUGH THIS, THROUGH, THROUGH THROUGH BRICK WOULD BE ONE WAY IN WHICH YOU WOULD GET THAT INFORMATION THROUGH DASHBOARD, GET THAT INFORMATION THROUGH THE DASHBOARD. OKAY. YEAH. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNSELORS? JUST A QUICK QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, THE, THE REPORT SHARES THAT THE [00:20:01] INCIDENT DATA IS SHARED DAILY WITH THE BRICK DASHBOARD. DOES, DO WE, CAN YOU CLARIFY AGAIN, HOW LONG THE BRICK ACTUALLY RETAINS THAT INFORMATION? UM, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT NO DATA IS SHARED WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES. SO, UM, ANYBODY WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE DASHBOARD IS WITHIN THE, LIKE, LOCAL METRO BOSTON HOMELAND SECURITY REGION AND NOT STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR, THREE YEARS IS THE PURGE AND NO, THERE IS NO, UH, OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT DO NOT PUT INFORMATION IN THERE, HAVE ACCESS TO ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. GOTCHA. AND THEN THE REPORT ITSELF SHARES THAT I BELIEVE NO COMMUNITIES ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY BRICKS. SO ARE ARE, IS THERE ANY DATA OR EVIDENCE ON THIS THAT CAN HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND KIND OF HOW WE CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION? WELL, I, I, FOR YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD SAY THAT, HMM, THAT'S A INTERESTING QUESTION. SO LET ME, UH, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE MOMENT THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY THAT WE ONLY SHARE REPORTS THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM. REPORTS THAT ARE, ARE ABLE TO BEERED BY ANY PERSON. SO IT'S BASICALLY ANY CRIME REPORT INCIDENT THAT WE TAKE IS IN THERE. UM, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY, HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT. BUT, UM, CONSIDERING IT'S JUST ABOUT THE REPORTS THAT WE TAKE, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON BRICK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT SURVEILLANCE TOOL. UH, THAT WOULD BE THE A LPR. THAT IS, I BELIEVE, UNDER NUMBER 28. NOT SURE WHAT PAGE THAT IS ON THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. SO I HAD CONFIRMED EARLIER WITH THE CAMBRIDGE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE LAW DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE NO LONGER USING FLOCK. UM, AND THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN PICKED UP. SO THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS REPORT AS IT EXISTS IS APPROVING A TECHNOLOGY CLASS. UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO WALK US THROUGH WHAT APRS ARE IN GENERAL, WHAT THE TOOL IS AND WHAT IT'S USED FOR? SO, UH, THROUGH YOU MADAM CHAIR, THE PURPOSE OF ALPS IS TO BE ABLE TO, AFTER A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO, AND IF WE HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT A VEHICLE THAT WAS USED IN THAT PARTICULAR CRIME, THAT WE COULD USE THE A LPR TO SEE IF ANY ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF CARS HAD GONE PAST ONE OF THE CAMERAS. IT BASICALLY, 'CAUSE CARS ARE USED IN MANY, MANY, UM, INCIDENTS, CRIME INCIDENTS FOR GETTING THERE, FOR GETTING AWAY, UM, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND IT'S JUST A, A, A TOOL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, IF WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO LOOK IN, IN THROUGH THE ALPS TO FIND A CAR THAT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL INCIDENT. I WILL SAY THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT FLOCK AND WE ALL KNOW WHY WE TOOK IT DOWN, AND WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. UM, AND I WILL ALSO SAY, AND I, WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY, AND AGAIN, WE TOTALLY CONCUR AND AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED SURROUNDING FLOCK, BUT I'LL ALSO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT ANY TYPE OF A LPR TECHNOLOGY PERIOD. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL ALSO TURN TO THE LAW DEPARTMENT AND GIDEON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ADDITIONAL CONTEXT? NO, NOTHING TO ADD. UM, OTHER THAN TO JUST AS YOU SAID CHAIR, THAT, UM, THIS IS NOT BEING USED AND WE JUST HEARD FROM THE COMMISSIONER, UM, BUT THIS APPROVAL THAT THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY GRANTED WASN'T SPECIFICALLY FOR FLOCK. SO THAT'S WHY THIS REMAINS ON THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT BECAUSE THE GENERAL APPROVAL FOR APRS IS STILL, UM, VALID AT THIS TIME. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. UM, APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S NOT CONSIDERING NEW A LPR TOOLS. I'M CURIOUS IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SURVEILLANCE, UH, OR NON SURVEILLANCE TOOLS THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS USING THAT, UH, REPLACE, UH, THE WAY THAT THAT, UH, FLOCK AND OUR A LPR TOOLS WERE BEING USED WHEN THEY WERE DEPLOYED THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR, [00:25:01] I WISH THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE AT THIS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND SO, NO, WE HAVE NO OTHER TECHNOLOGY THAT DOES WHAT A LPS DOES. COUNCILLOR NOLAN, AND THEN COUNCILLOR SIMMONS. THANK YOU, UM, THROUGH YOU CHAIR TO THE COMMISSIONER, GIVEN THAT THERE'S NO INTENTION TO USE IT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE HAVING THIS KIND OF OPEN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN? SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ONLY BECAUSE IT CREATES A LITTLE EXTRA PAPERWORK AND I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF IF IT, IF IT CREATES ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK THAT WE ELIMINATE IT. BUT IF IT'S HELPFUL, THE IDEA IS IF YOU WERE TO EVENTUALLY FIND ONE OF THOSE TOOLS THAT YOU SAY NO LONGER EXISTS, PRESUMABLY, THEN YOU WOULD COME HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL ANYWAY TO GET APPROVAL. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE EVEN LEAVE IT ON THE BOOKS AND MAKE THIS PAGE AND A HALF HAVE TO APPEAR OR NOT? I, IT'S REALLY ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS OF IF IT'S USEFUL OR NOT. THROUGH YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I MEAN THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BRING OR, OR THINK OF BRINGING INTO THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE FOR THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT TO COME IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT WE WOULDN'T EVEN BRING IT TO YOU AT THIS POINT UNLESS , UNLESS IT WAS PRETTY FOOLPROOF. UM, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING AND, AND WE TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. SO, BUT IF WE DO FIND THAT TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, BRING IT FORWARD IN TO THE COUNCIL. COUNCILOR SIMMONS, UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR THROUGH YOU TO GIDEON EPSTEIN. MR. EPSTEIN, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT, YOU HAD A VERY POIGNANT QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR ASKING IT. MY CURIOSITY IS, UM, BEFORE COMING TO THIS MEETING, DID YOU TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UH, SOME OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO, UH, AT LEAST IN, UM, INTENTION IS TO REPRESENT ALL PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME. UM, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING, DID YOU SIT DOWN WITH FOLKS THAT LOOK LIKE ME TO ASK THEM ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY? IT'S A YES OR NO, IT IN PREPARATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, YOU ARE HERE AT THIS MEETING AND YOU'RE GIVING TESTIMONY, CORRECT? UH, I HAVEN'T OFFERED ANY TESTIMONY. I'VE ASKED TWO QUESTIONS, BUT YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS. YOU'RE TALKING, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DID YOU, PRIOR TO THE MEETING, TALK TO FOLKS ABOUT THIS MEETING THAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU REPRESENT? YES, YES. UH, I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, I MEAN, I I I DON'T WANNA PUT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND MEMBERS OF COM OF OUR, OUR COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANNA MENTION THEM BY NAME, BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, OF A NUMBER OF BACKGROUNDS. UH, AND TO LET THEM KNOW THAT I WILL BE AT THIS MEETING AND TO ASK THEM IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE ME TO LIFT UP OR RACE. GREAT. SO, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO THROUGH YOU MADAM CHAIR, WOULD NOT WANT YOU TO EXPOSE ANYBODY'S INFORMATION. UH, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND YOU CAN REDACT THEIR NAMES, BUT I WANNA KNOW WHERE, WHAT AREAS THEY COME FROM. ARE THEY FROM CAMBRIDGE? ARE THEY FROM THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON? I JUST WANNA HAVE A SENSE, 'CAUSE I WANNA KNOW WHO'S TALKING FOR THE BENEFIT OF MY COMMUNITY. I'M SORRY. I I HAVE THE FLOOR, MS. MS. NOLAN, AND I KNOW YOU'RE VERY BIG ABOUT PAYING ATTENTION WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING. I WANT THE SAME RESPECT. UH, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT IT. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I AM PERSONALLY A CAMBRIDGE RESIDENT AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER CAMBRIDGE RESIDENTS. FABULOUS. I CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. I WILL JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I ASK THAT WE'RE ALL RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER IN THIS HEARING. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TECHNOLOGY TOOL. UH, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERA AS YOU CAN FIND THIS UNDER PA UNDER NUMBER 26. UH, WHICH AGAIN, DUNNO THE PAGE, BUT IT IS ON NUMBER 26 OF THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORTS. CAN SOMEONE FROM THE CPD WALK US THROUGH WHAT THIS TOOL IS AND WHAT IT DOES? YEAH. SUE YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS. THE PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS ARE HIGHLY VISIBLE. FIXED CAMERAS DEPLOYED IN DESIGNATED PUBLIC AREAS USED TO STRATEGICALLY PROTECT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE PUBLIC. AFTER HEARING FROM RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND CITY LEADERS ABOUT AN INCREASE IN VIOLENCE, THEFT, DRUG USE, AND OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES IN CENTRAL SQUARE, CAMBRIDGE POLICE DEPARTMENT INITIATED A PILOT PROGRAM FOR USING CAMERAS TO ENHANCE ITS CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION EFFORTS. THE DEPARTMENT, AFTER [00:30:01] RECEIVING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, SUBSEQUENTLY DEPLOYED SIX CAMERAS IN AREAS WHERE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES WERE NOTED BY THE PUBLIC AND CITY LEADERS. FIVE OF THEM ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW. THE SIXTH ONE IS IN THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION AREA OF, OF KYLE BARON PLAZA. SO ONCE THAT'S FINISHED THAT WE'LL GO BACK UP. THE PRIMARY GOAL OF UTILIZING THESE CAMERAS IS TO HELP SOLVE AND DETER CRIME IN AREAS OF PUBLIC CONCERN. HOWEVER, THESE CAMERAS DO NOT RECORD AUDIO, HAVE A SEARCH FUNCTION OR FACIAL RECOGNITION, USE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE OR CAPTURE AND SEARCH LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION. THE CAMERAS ARE ALSO NOT MONITORED 24 HOURS A DAY OR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND REMAIN IN A FIXED LOCATION. THE DATA IS ONLY STORED FOR 30 DAYS AND WILL BE RELEASED ONLY PURSUANT TO A PUBLIC RECORDS LAW OR AN ARTICULATED EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCE. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD AND TURN THE FLOOR TO THE LAW DEPARTMENT OR GIDE IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. NOTHING FROM US. THANK YOU. YEAH. COUNCILOR MCGOVERN. UH, THANK YOU HOE MADAM CHAIR. UM, SO ARE THESE, ARE, ARE THESE CAMERAS STAYING? THIS WAS A PILOT, CORRECT. AND THEN, UM, IS THE PLAN, SO I GUESS A TWO PART QUESTION. ARE THESE CAMERAS GOING TO STAY? AND BECAUSE IT WAS A PILOT AND ACCORDING TO THE REPORT HAS BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL, ARE THERE PLANS TO ROLL 'EM OUT IN OTHER SQUARES? YES, TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE CAMERAS ARE STAYING THERE AS THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. THEY WERE, UM, REALLY HELPFUL IN THE JULY 4TH SHOOTING THAT WE HAD. WE WERE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHO WAS THE CULPRIT IN THAT. AND, UM, AND ALSO, UM, IN QUALITY OF LIFE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE, IT'S MOSTLY, WE, IT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN SOLVING SOME OF THE SERIOUS CRIMES IN CENTRAL SQUARE. YEAH. AND THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, DID YOU, BECAUSE I, I SPOKE, UH, TO MIKE MONIM FROM THE BID. UM, I ASSUME YOU TALKED TO HIM, HE WAS, WAS HOPING THAT THEY WOULD, THAT THEY WOULD REMAIN. UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HE WEIGHED IN ON THIS WITH YOU AS WELL, OR Y YES. SO YOU MET HIM, CHI YES. HE, HE ABSOLUTELY HOPES THAT THEY REMAIN. OKAY. UM, SO YOU MET HIM CHAIR AND I'M SORRY, I WAS OUT IN THE SUN A LOT TODAY, SO MAYBE . UM, DID YOU, DID YOU SAY ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE THINKING OF EXPANDING THEM TO, TO OTHER SQUARES? AND I JUST MISSED THAT I HEARD NOT ONE WORD OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID. . . UM, THE SECOND PART OF MY FIRST SET OF QUESTIONS WAS, UM, THAT THEY'RE GONNA STAY IN CENTRAL SQUARE. AND ARE WE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THEM, 'CAUSE I KNOW PORTER SQUARE HAD ASKED ABOUT THEM. AND SPECIFICALLY, IS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT THAT OR, UM, YES. WE, UH, HOW DO I SAY IT? UM, YES, WE WOULD LOVE TO EXPAND. WE'VE TALKED TO, AS YOU HAVE, AS PEOPLE IN CENTRAL SQUARE AND HAVE AL ALSO, I MEAN, UH, POTUS SQUARE AND ALSO SPOKE WITH FOLKS IN HARVARD SQUARE. AND, UM, WE ARE JUST LOOKING, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ABSORB THE COST OF THAT SINCE WE WILL NOT BE GETTING ANY MONEY FOR THEM. SO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK INTO HOW WE CAN ABSORB THAT COST. OKAY. AND, UM, THROUGH YOU, MADAM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS DATA THAT IS NOT SHARED. THIS IS OUR DATA. WE HOLD ONTO IT. EVERYTHING IS, GET RID OF IT. IT'S ALL INTERNAL UNLOCK KEY RIGHT IN THE BUILDING. GREAT. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILLOR NOLAN, AND THEN COUNCILLOR SIMMONS. THANK YOU. UM, I AM GLAD THESE ARE OPERATING. I SUPPORTED THEM FROM THE BEGINNING. AND I THINK I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THIS QUESTION OF WHAT WOULD BE THE STEPS BY WHICH THESE MAY BE DEPLOYED IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY GIVEN THE PILOT SUCCESSFUL. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE SQUARES. THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME, UH, UM, SUGGESTIONS OVER THE YEARS IN PUBLIC PARKS. WE KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF THE VIOLENT INSTANCES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, ONE WAS ON PEMBERTON COURTS, WHICH, UM, CERTAINLY WE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CERTAINLY CRIME, UH, FAMILY WOULD'VE PREFERRED THERE BE A CAMERA THERE. UM, THERE WAS NOT. INSTEAD THE POLICE HAD TO RELY ON INDIVIDUAL HOMES AND THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH OF THAT DATA. AND ALSO DHE PARK HAD A, HAS HAD AN UNSOLVED, SO THE QUESTION IS NOT JUST THE SQUARES, BUT FOLLOWING UP ON COUNCIL MCGOVERN'S, UM, THE COST DON'T SEEM, UNLESS THESE ARE NOT FULLY LOADED COSTS, YOU KNOW, 3000 FOR 500 FOR SOFTWARE, THE PURCHASE, THE HARDWARE PURCHASE OF 47, 40 8,000. BUT THAT'S NOT A REOCCURRING COST. SO AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU, YES, WE KNOW WE'RE IN A TIGHT BUDGET TIME, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS WAYS THAT WE COULD FIND IF, IF IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE COSTS COULD BE ABSORBED. SO I'M JUST, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, I'M INTERESTED IN THE TIMELINE FOR WHAT, WHEN THAT MIGHT OCCUR, UH, THROUGH YOU, MADAM [00:35:01] CHAIR. UM, WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS EVER SINCE WE PUT THE ONES UP IN CENTRAL SQUARE. AND THAT PROMPTED THE, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH PEOPLE IN THE OTHER SQUARES, BUT ALSO WE, AND WHERE WE PUT THEM. WE REALLY USE THE DATA TO WHERE MOST OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING. UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ABSORB THE COST, WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND I WOULD TELL YOU IT'S ABOUT 130 K FOR 10 MORE CAMERAS. THANK YOU. I, I THINK, AGAIN, GIVEN THIS PILOT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. AND CERTAINLY THE ALEWIFE IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE'VE HAD INCREASING ISSUES OF, CERTAINLY I HEAR A LOT AND I'VE BEEN THERE A FEW TIMES AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE THAT HAS MADE PEOPLE NOT FEEL SAFE. I RECOGNIZE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF THE DENSITY AS IN THE SQUARES. SO I THINK THE SQUARES MAKES SENSE FOR THE NEXT DEPLOYMENT, PARTICULARLY AROUND PORTER SQUARE, WHICH HAS HAD AN INCREASING ISSUE OF, OF, OF FOLKS. HOWEVER, I JUST THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF TECHNOLOGY THAT APPEARS TO BE REALLY HELPING THE CITY AND HELPING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS. COUNCILLOR SIMMONS. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCILLOR. SABRINA MILLER. I THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR THROUGH YOU TWO, THE COMMISSIONER. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE OTHER SQUARES, UH, ONE SUGGESTION MIGHT BE CONVENING CLF CAMBRIDGE LOCAL FIRST AND MIN E TO HARVARD SQUARE, THE BID PORT, GET 'EM ALL IN THE ROOM TOGETHER IF YOU COULD, BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE SIMILAR BUT, YOU KNOW, DISSIMILAR NEEDS. AND IT MIGHT BE JUST A EASY, VERY GOOD WAY. YOU MIGHT HEAR ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS AS WELL, BUT I, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT, UM, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED. THE CHAMBER, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THE, UH, MEMBERS ARE, ARE MUCH, MUCH LARGER INSTITUTIONS, BUT, UM, THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS 'CAUSE THEY ARE CLOSER TO THE GROUND, COULD GIVE YOU A MORE REALISTIC IDEA OF WHAT THEY THINK MIGHT WORK. SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT, UH, TO YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, I WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT, BRINGING THE DATA WITH US FOR THOSE MEETINGS. THANK YOU COUNCILOR SABRINA WHEELER. THANKS MATT. CHAIR. YOU, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON A QUESTION THAT, UH, COUNCILLOR MCGOVERN, UH, ALLUDED TO, WHICH WAS ON, UH, THE, SORT OF THE, HOW THE CAMERAS HAVE BEEN USED AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THEM AND RESPONDING TO CRIME, DETERRING CRIME, WHICH WAS THE, THE INTENT OF IT. UM, UH, AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN ONLY IN DEPLOYMENT, WHAT, LIKE A, AROUND A YEAR OR SO NOW. UM, AND JUST AS, AS CONTEXT FOR THIS, I THINK WITH ANY SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, AND WE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HERE 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S BROAD AGREEMENT ON THEM FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, DATA TRACKING OF, UH, BICYCLES TO, YOU KNOW, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, UH, WITH ANY SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF LIKE THE, THE CIVIL LIBERTIES PROTECTIONS TO THE, UH, EFFECTIVENESS AND THE, THE SAFETY OF IT. AND, AND THERE'S ALWAYS A TRADE OFF THERE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS ORDINANCE AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. UM, BUT IT IS THAT, THAT QUESTION OF IS, IS IT DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO VERSUS WHAT ARE THE, THE PRIVACY CONCERNS? UM, AND JUST AS ONE EXAMPLE OF A, OF A SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT I HAVE, I THINK MOST OF US HAVE SUPPORTED AND TRANSPORTATION ADVOCATES HAVE SUPPORTED, ARE INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, THE BUS STOP ENFORCEMENT CAMERAS AND THE THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS, WHICH THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO DETER SPEEDING, DETER BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIAN DEATHS. THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE THERE IS A, A TECHNOLOGY AND THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THAT. AND, UH, AND IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO WEIGH THOSE. SO TO THAT POINT, UH, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CENTRAL SQUARE CAMERAS AND WHAT DATA WE HAVE ON THAT IN THE YEAR OR SO, IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT, UH, ON CONVICTIONS, UM, FOR WHICH CRIMES. ASK IF YOU, IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT DATA HANDY, AND IF NOT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL. UH, YOU BACK, UH, THROUGH YOU MADAM CHAIR. YES, WE CAN DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COMES TO MIND BESIDES JULY 4TH WAS THE 2 43 BROADWAY INCIDENT THAT STARTED IN, IN CENTRAL SQUARE. AND THEN, UM, OH, IT JUST RUN OUTTA MY HEAD. UM, OH, OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THE, UH, THE HATE CRIME IN MCDONALD'S. THAT WAS, UM, IN LA IN LAST SEPTEMBER. AND ALSO WE HAD AN INCIDENT DOWN IN THE T THAT STARTED OUT, UH, NEAR THE, NEAR THE, UH, POLICE SUBSTATION WHERE WE CAUGHT A VERY SEVERE BEATING ON THE CAMERA. AND AGAIN, WE ONLY LOOK WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP, WE DON'T, UM, WE DON'T NEED, THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO LOOK UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES TO OUR ATTENTION, A CRIME OF SOME SORT. AND, UM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE, BUT I CAN GET THAT DATA FOR YOU AS FAR AS FOR THE LAST YEAR. THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. AND, UM, I THINK IF WHAT COULD BE BROKEN DOWN ON THAT AND, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, ARRESTS AND CONVICTIONS, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THE COURT CASES TAKE A LONG TIME AND SOME OF THESE MAY HAVE NOT WORKED THEIR WAY THROUGH THERE, BUT I THINK THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT [00:40:01] TO THIS ALSO OF, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT SOME CASES NOT BEING SOLVED OR AN ARREST NOT BEING MADE, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE THESE CAMERAS. HOW, HOW EFFECTIVE EVEN THEY ARE THEY, OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF GRANULARITY THEY GET DOESN'T ACTUALLY LEAD TO A CONVICTION. LIKE WHERE, WHERE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS THEY ARE. AND, AND WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL THAT INFO, BUT THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE, OKAY, DOES THIS ACTUALLY LEAD TO A CONVICTION? IS IT DOING THE THING WE SET OUT TO DO, WHICH IS SOLVE CRIME? AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHY THAT IS. UM, THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL IF YOU COULD, COULD PROVIDE THAT. THANKS. AND, AND THROUGH YOU MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD ALSO SAY IT'S ALSO DIFFICULT TO, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S NOT. YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE THEM AS PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. UM, SO IT'S HARD TO ALSO, UM, QUANTIFY WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED BECAUSE THE CAMERAS ARE THERE TOO. BUT I WILL AB ABSOLUTELY GET YOU WHATEVER DATA WE HAVE ON, SINCE WE PUT THEM UP. WELL GO TO COUNCILLOR NOLAN. THANK YOU, CHARLES. IT'LL BE JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP. I, I, I THINK THE DATA MIGHT BE USEFUL, NOT JUST CONVICTIONS, BUT ALSO IF THERE WAS REFERRALS TO SERVICES OR IF THERE WAS, UH, CAUGHT ON CAMERA THAT, THAT SOMEONE ACTUALLY NEEDS ADDITIONAL SERVICES, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT ADJUDICATED THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. I THINK PART OF IT IS TO IDENTIFY BEHAVIOR THAT MAKES PEOPLE, UH, FEEL AND BE LESS SAFE. AND IF WE CAN SOLVE THAT, NOT THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, 'CAUSE SO MUCH OF IT, OF WHAT WE HOPE TO DO IS DO ALTERNATIVES. I I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE DATA TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVEN HAVE THAT OR TRACK THAT, BUT I WANNA MAKE THAT POINT THAT IT'S, IT'S, WE, THERE, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND THERE ARE OTHERS WHO SHOULD BE REFERRED TO AND HOPEFULLY GET SERVICES THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO AVOID THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WE'LL GO TO COUNCILLOR, SABRINA WHEELER, AND THEN COUNCILLOR MCGOVERN. THANK YOU. AND SORRY FOR THE, THE BACK AND FORTH THAT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION AND THINK RAISING ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR, FOR ME. AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WRITE THESE DOWN TOO, IF THE, THE NOTES WE'RE HAVING, IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE. BUT I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, ARRESTS, CONVICTIONS, THE REFERRAL TO SERVICES OTHER, I THINK IS THE CATEGORY OF, OF THE CRIME, RIGHT? IS IT CATCHING MOSTLY PEOPLE FOR SHOPLIFTING OR IS IT DRUG OFFENSES OR IS IT VIOLENT OFFENSES? LIKE THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT TYPES OF CRIME. AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT PRESUPPOSING ANYTHING, BUT REALLY CURIOUS TO WHAT, WHAT THE CAMERAS ARE ACTUALLY CATCHING. UM, COUNCILOR MCGOVERN, THANK YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE THIS IS IMPORTANT, INTERESTING CONVERSATION, RIGHT? I MEAN, MAYBE NOT BE SPECIFIC TO IT IS TO THIS TECHNOLOGY, BUT KIND OF MORE GENERALLY SPEAKING. I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY FIRST ON THE CONVICTION, YOU KNOW, COURTS ARE COMPLICATED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMEONE DOES NOT GET CONVICTED OF A CRIME THAT WAS ON FILM DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CAMERAS DIDN'T WORK. THEY COULD HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED FOR A HOST OF OTHER REASONS. SO YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY, OR IF THEY DO GET CONVICTED, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY SAY IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE CAMERA. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT. SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH RESEARCH ON DETERRENCE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK DETERRENCE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? IF SOMEONE'S COMMITTING A CRIME, I MEAN, MAYBE SOMEONE SEES THE SIGN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS BUS STOP IS BEING MONITORED BY A CAMERA AND THEY WALK AROUND THE CORNER AND THEY STILL DO THE SAME DRUG DEAL OUTSIDE. RIGHT? YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE DETERRING THE CRIME OR NOT. YOU, IT COULD BE JUST MOVING IT, YOU KNOW, MOVING IT TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. RIGHT? UM, I MEAN, I THINK IF WE REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER CONVER, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION MONDAY NIGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SHOT SPOTTER, RIGHT? SHOT SPOTTER IS NOT MEANT TO BE A DETERRENT TO CRIME, RIGHT? IT WAS TO ALLOW THE POLICE TO RESPOND FASTER, RIGHT? AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S DEBATE ABOUT THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY, IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT DETERRENCE TO CRIME, IT REALLY COMES MUCH MORE INTO WHAT ARE THE SERVICES WE'RE PROVIDING? HOW ARE WE KEEPING MOSTLY YOUNG PEOPLE FROM GETTING INTO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU KNOW, WHAT PROGRAMS DO WE HAVE? I'M NOT SURE CAMERAS DETER CRIME. THEY DO HELP SOLVE CRIMES. UM, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, RIGHT? AND WHETHER SOMEONE GETS CONVICTED OR NOT, THAT'S SORT OF BEYOND THE CAMBRIDGE POLICE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS A JOB SORT OF TO DO IN THE CHAIN. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAMERA AND YOU SAY, WOW, THAT, THAT GUY DOING THAT DEAL LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE COUNCILMAN MCGOVERN, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO KNOCK ON HIS DOOR AND YOU ARREST ME. THEN YOU'VE USED THAT CAMERA TO IDENTIFY ME AND YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB. AND THEN IT GOES TO THE COURT SYSTEM, AND THEN IT'S A WHOLE OTHER SET OF PEOPLE AND A WHOLE OTHER BALL OF WAX. AND, UM, SO IT MAY NOT DETER PEOPLE, IT MAY MOVE IT, BUT WHAT IT DOES HELP WITH APPARENTLY IS IDENTIFYING PEOPLE, RIGHT? AND, UM, AND AGAIN, MY ISSUE WITH ALL OF THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHO CONTROLS THE DATA? WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT? AND, YOU KNOW, HOW IS IT USED? AND [00:45:01] I HAVE A LOT MORE CONFIDENCE IN WHEN THAT DATA IS CONTROLLED BY US VERSUS SOMEONE WE'RE IN A CONTRACT WITH WHO ALSO HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? AND SO JUST, I MEAN, I, I I, WE, IF IF YOU WANT NO SURVEILLANCE AT ALL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE SATISFIED WITH, WITH, WITH ANYTHING. AND I THINK MOST OF US ARE KIND OF, A LOT OF US ARE KIND OF ON THAT. WE SEE THE BENEFITS OF IT, BUT WE ALSO SEE THE CAUTIONS OF IT. AND I THINK IN THESE CAMERAS SPECIFICALLY, GIVEN THE WAY THEY'RE BEING USED AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE CONTROL THE DATA, I SUPPORT THEM. AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, THROUGH YOU, UH, MADAM CHAIR, UM, THESE, WE DON'T, IF THERE'S A SHOPLIFTING, WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THE CAMERAS MOST LIKELY UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN INSIDE ANYWAY. PRETTY MUCH, I MEAN, WE COULD USE TO SEE THE FLIGHT AFTERWARDS, BUT THIS IS MOSTLY, MOSTLY WE LOOK AT THE CAMERAS FOR THE, THE REALLY, UM, SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIMES. UM, NOT TO SAY THAT I GUESS WE WOULDN'T IF WE, BUT IT'S MOSTLY FOR THE SHOOTING THAT WE HAD ON JULY 4TH, THE 2 43 BROADWAY INCIDENT, YOU KNOW, THE SEVERE BEATING THAT WAS, UM, CAPTURED BY THE CAMERA, RIGHT? RIGHT OUTSIDE, UH, CVS. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF, UM, CRIMES THAT WE REALLY USE THE CAMERAS FOR AT THIS POINT. AGAIN, NOT LIKE WE WOULDN'T DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SITUATION WAS, BUT THAT'S, UM, AND I, WHAT I WILL DO IS I'LL GET A LIST OF WHEN WE'VE LOOKED LIKE WHEN WE'VE HAD A, UM, A, A REQUEST OR A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE IN AND LOOKED. I'LL GET ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, UH, ON THE LIST. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNSELORS? I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION. IT'S BEEN, IT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION ON THIS ONE. UM, CURIOUS FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT SIDE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ON EXPERIENCE EXPANSION, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY APPROVAL, WOULD THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL? OR IS THAT ALREADY THAT ALREADY BE COVERED UNDER THE STIR? UH, THANK YOU TO YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, SO IN MOST CASES, IF THE TECHNOLOGY FOR THAT DEPARTMENT IS APPROVED, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO USE THAT TECHNOLOGY. UM, BUT IF THEY CHANGE THE WAY THEY'RE USING THE TECHNOLOGY UNDER THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK FOR, UH, NEW APPROVAL. AND WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, UM, THIS INITIAL STIR FOR THESE PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS, UH, I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S REPRESENTATION AT THAT TIME IS THAT THEY WOULD DEFINITELY COME BACK BEFORE EXPANDING TO OTHER SQUARES TO NOTIFY THE COUNCIL. UH, AND THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR, UH, ABSOLUTELY WE'RE, WE WOULD NEVER PUT UP CAMERAS BEFORE WE CAME IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL JUST TO, TO GET THE INPUT IN AND, AND HAVE THE BACK AND FORTH. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY TOO, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE POLICY, IT'S NUMBER 41 DASH 13 FOR PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS ON OUR WEBSITE. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE OPEN ARCHITECTS REFERRAL THAT CAME FROM A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. UM, SO I'LL TURN TO CPS TO WALK US THROUGH WHAT THIS TOOL IS AND WHAT IT DOES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND THROUGH YOU TO THE COMMITTEE. UH, OPEN ARCHITECTS, UH, IS A VISUALIZATION PLATFORM THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE THE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT WE, WE GATHER THROUGH EITHER ASSESSMENT PLATFORMS OR STUDENT INFORMATION SYSTEMS, ET CETERA, UH, AND COMPILE THAT INFORMATION INTO ONE LOCATION SO THAT ADMINISTRATORS, UH, AND TEACHERS WILL BE ABLE TO GET A SNAPSHOT OF, UH, INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS IF THEY HAVE THAT PARTICULAR STUDENT OR THEIR CLASSROOM, OR FOR PRINCIPAL, THE SCHOOL AND FOR CENTRAL ADMINISTRATION, UH, THE DISTRICT, UH, OVER MULTIPLE YEARS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY TRENDS. UH, IT, IT'S REALLY AN EFFICIENCY TOOL FOR US. UH, IT'S REALLY QUITE A FANTASTIC TOOL. UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO TO AND LOG ON TO MANY SEPARATE SYSTEMS, THIS ALLOWS US TO LOG ON TO ONE SYSTEM AND GET THE CRITICAL ASSESSMENT INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE DATA-DRIVEN DECISIONS. THANK YOU. AND BEFORE I TURN TO COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL CONTEXT THAT THE LAW DEPARTMENT OR GIDEON WANTS TO ADD? NOTHING FROM US. COUNCILOR NOLAN. THANK YOU. THANKS, UH, CPS FOR BEING ON THE SCREEN. NICE TO SEE YOU. UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, HOW [00:50:01] DOES, UH, THIS RELATE TO STUDENT AND TEACHER, UH, INSTRUCTIONAL TOOLS? IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS REPLACES A WHOLE SUITE. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT MY KIDS WERE BOTH AS, UH, CFO SMITH KNOWS, WE'RE BOTH STUDENTS IN THE, IN CPS, AND MY SON WAS ACTUALLY A TEACHER FOR A COUPLE YEARS. SO, BUT THERE WERE A RANGE OF ONLINE KIND OF, UH, SOFTWARE BEING USED. IS THIS A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT OR IS THIS JUST ON ATTENDANCE AND CLASSROOM MANAGEMENT? AND I ASK PARTLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THOSE INCLUDED THE, HOW THE INSTRUCTIONAL TOOLS, CLASSROOM ASSIGNMENTS, STUDENT WORK, THERE WAS AN OWNERSHIP QUESTION ABOUT WHO ACTUALLY OWNED IT GIVEN, GIVEN SOME OF THE PRIVACY AND THE LICENSES THAT WERE SIGNED. SO HOW DOES THIS INTERFACE WITH THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE OF ALL THE CLASSROOM, VARIOUS WAYS THAT PEOPLE GET ASSIGNMENTS, DO ASSIGNMENTS, AND ALL THE TOOLS BEING USED BY TEACHERS AND STUDENTS, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UH, IT DOES NOT, UH, REPLACE THOSE PRODUCTS BECAUSE IN, IN MANY CASES, THOSE ARE PRODUCTS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR ELEMENTARY MATH ASSESSMENTS AND THEN GATHERING THAT DATA OR LITERARY LITERACY ASSESSMENT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. THIS ACTUALLY BRINGS THE DATA INTO ONE PLATFORM TO ALLOW US TO, TO GET A BIGGER PICTURE ABOUT, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL STUDENT OR, OR A CLASSROOM. UM, IT, WE CONTINUE TO OWN THE DATA. IT'S DATA THAT WE ALREADY GATHER THROUGH DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. UH, THIS REALLY JUST COMPILES IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT MORE USEFUL TO US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. UH, AND ALSO GIVES US A LONGITUDINAL LOOK, UM, EVERYTHING FROM MCAS DATA TO, YOU KNOW, ASSESSMENT DATA, ATTENDANCE DATA, UH, IN, IN A WAY THAT WE'VE NEVER REALLY, NEVER REALLY SEEN BEFORE. UH, IT, IT'S REALLY VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DIVE INTO THIS TYPE OF DATA AND LOOK AT IT FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES, LOOK AT IT FROM GRADE LEVELS, FROM SUBGROUP INFORMATION. UM, SO IT, WE ARE, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO USE THIS. UH, AND AGAIN, WE OWN THE DATA AND, UM, WE HAVE A STUDENT DATA PRIVACY AGREEMENT WITH THIS COMPANY. UH, WE DID THAT BEFORE WE, UH, STARTED TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. THANK YOU. SO, SO THIS IS A COORDINATING FUNCTION FOR ALL THE EXISTING WHATEVER VARIOUS TOOLS. IF YOU'RE A TEACHER THAT USES A PARTICULAR WAY, I KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE WHILE THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE USED WITHIN THE DISTRICT. YES. BUT THIS GATHERS ALL THAT DATA TOGETHER. UM, THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS HOW DOES, GIVEN THAT THIS PROGRAM INCLUDES ATTENDANCE DATA AND SOME OTHERS, IS THERE ANY HR FUNCTION RELATED TO THIS TOO? BECAUSE, AND I'M WONDERING HOW THIS, IF THIS PROGRAM HAS ANY RELATION TO THE CITY IS ABOUT TO INVEST MANY MILLIONS OR TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, POSSIBLY, I HOPE NOT, BUT MAYBE IN AN EPR SYSTEM, ENTERPRISE SYSTEM THAT GOES ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ANY RELATION TO THAT, BUT I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER IT DOES IT, IT DOES NOT. UM, AND THEN FINAL QUESTION. IT SAYS THE PILOT IS FREE, BUT OFTEN PEOPLE DO THAT AND THEN THEY HOOK YOU IN AND YOU USE IT BECAUSE IF WE'RE ALREADY USING IT, THEN WE HAVE ACTUALLY INVESTED TIME, ENERGY, AND STAFF EMOTIONAL IN, IN THIS, THE ONGOING ANNUAL COST OF ABOUT 44,000, IS THAT EXPECTED TO STAY VERY EVEN FOR THE NET FOR AFTER THIS USE IF IT'S USED? OR DOES THAT END UP BEING AN EXPLODING, UH, COST, IF THAT MAKES SENSE AS A QUESTION? NO, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, NO, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT TO GO UP. UH, THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT'S USED BY 200 DIFFERENT SCHOOL SYSTEMS IN MASSACHUSETTS. IT IS A MASSACHUSETTS BASED COMPANY. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD GREAT THINGS, UH, FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES USING THIS PRODUCT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO TRY IT. UM, AND IT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOME, UH, EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME GATHERING AND PUTTING THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION TOGETHER THAT THIS WILL EASE SOME OF THOSE BURDENS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I HOPE IT'S AS GOOD AS YOU ARE PRESENTING IT AND THAT IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE TO TRY TO GET ALL THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER. I KNOW FOR SURE HAVING REVIEWED A LOT OF REPORTS WHEN I WAS ON SCHOOL COMMITTEE, IT WAS VERY, VERY CHALLENGING, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT FOR MANAGEMENT AND FOR UNDERSTANDING HOW IT IS THAT OUR STUDENTS AND TEACHERS ARE DOING. SO THANK YOU. I DON'T, I YIELD FOR NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNSELORS? YES, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, JUST CURIOUS HERE THAT IT, IT DOES REFER, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS TO THE STUDENT DATA PRIVACY AGREEMENT. UM, IS THERE ANY MORE CONTEXT TO THIS? 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA MATTER IN TERMS ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, AI TOOLS, UM, DATA BEING SOLD FOR AI TOOLS TO TRAIN AND MODEL. I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE STUDENT DATA PRIVACY AGREEMENT WITH THEM AND IF THAT PROTECTS, UH, STUDENTS' INFORMATION. IT, IT, IT, IT DOES. SO WE ACTUALLY, UH, OUTSOURCE, UH, AGREEMENTS WITH, UH, UH, AN ORGANIZATION CALLED TECH, WHICH IS THE MASSACHUSETTS [00:55:01] STUDENT DATA PRIVACY ALLIANCE. UH, THEY NEGOTIATE ON OUR BEHALF, UH, STUDENT DATA AGREEMENTS WITH ANY PRODUCT THAT WE USE THAT WOULD CONTAIN STUDENT DATA OR ANY KIND OF PRIVACY INFORMATION. UM, AND, AND THOSE AGREEMENTS ARE, UH, STRICTLY FOR THAT PURPOSE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS KNOW EXACTLY THE RULES OF THE ROAD. THAT THIS IS OUR DATA, THAT WE, THEY CANNOT SHARE IT WITH ANYBODY, UH, WITHOUT OUR PERMISSIONS. UH, AND THAT, UH, WE RETAIN THE RIGHT TO NOT ONLY KEEP THAT DATA PRIVATE, BUT IF WE STOP USING THEIR PRODUCT, THEY, THEY HAVE A TIMELINE WHEN THEY HAVE TO DESTROY ALL DATA THAT THEY HAVE THAT WOULD BE RELATED TO CAMBRIDGE. GOTCHA. THAT'S DEFINITELY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND. AND I AM, I'M CURIOUS TOO, ON THE CLOUD HOSTED SOFTWARE PLATFORM IS WHERE THE STUDENT DATA STORED. IS THAT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ACCESS TO IT OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT? UM, YEAH. OR SO THE VENDOR ACCESS IT, OBVIOUSLY, SO CURIOUS TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHO'S ABLE TO ACCESS THAT, THAT CLOUD PORTAL. SURE. UM, ACTUALLY WE CANNOT SEE THE CHAMBER. YES. WE'RE ONLY SEEING OURSELVES, UH, I'M NOT SURE, UH, WHY THAT'S THE CA IS THE CASE. UM, THE MOST EDUCATIONAL SOFTWARE PRODUCTS ARE NOW, UH, CLOUD-BASED. SO MEANING THAT THE COMPANY HOSTS THE SERVERS THEMSELVES, UM, WE CONTROL ACCESS TO THAT. UM, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS DATA, IT WOULD ONLY BE, UH, EMPLOYEES OF THE CAMBRIDGE FOLK SCHOOLS, BUT BEYOND THAT, IT WOULD ONLY BE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE A REASON TO SEE THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF DATA. IT ALSO GIVES US A LOT OF CONTROL OVER THE PERMISSIONS. SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, A PRINCIPAL WOULD SEE THE DATA FOR THEIR SCHOOL, RIGHT? UH, A TEACHER WOULD ONLY SEE THE DATA FOR THE STUDENTS IN THEIR CLASS AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME. NOT PREVIOUS YEARS, NOT NEXT YEARS. UH, IT, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE OF COURSE, FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOLS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED AND NOT ANY MORE THAN YOU NEED, UH, TO DO, TO DO WITH THE EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT, UM, THAT, THAT WE CONDUCT. SO, UM, WE ARE, UH, CONFIDENT IN HOW THAT IS SET UP AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET THIS PRODUCT WE'LL, WE WILL BE DEFINING THE ROLES AND THEN ASSIGNING THE ROLES TO WHO HAS ACCESS TO WHAT DATA. YEAH, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE HELPFUL TO DEFINE WHAT THOSE ROLES ARE AND THE ACCESS TO IT. JUST GENERALLY, HAVE WE SEEN, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S THE LAW DEPARTMENT OR GIDEON, HAVE WE SEEN THAT MODELS LIKE THESE CAUSE ANY HARM IN TERMS OF STUDENT PRIVACY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? IT'S A PRETTY GENERAL QUESTION, SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT FOR ME RAISES, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS TOOL IS USED TO PROCESS, UH, STUDENT BEHAVIORAL DATA ESPECIALLY. SO I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM, UH, THE CAMBRIDGE PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOLKS, UH, ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY. AND I'M ALSO CURIOUS WHETHER, UH, CPS IS ADOPTING ANY OF THE OPEN ARCHITECTS, GENERATIVE AI TOOLS LIKE ARCHIE SPECIFICALLY, UM, AND HOW EXISTING CPS POLICIES AROUND AI MIGHT AFFECT POTENTIAL ADOPTION OF THOSE TOOLS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. LET ME SEE IF I CAN, UH, UH, DO THOSE IN SEQUENCE. UM, THE, THE PROTOCOLS FOR WHO HAS ACCESS TO WHAT, UH, REMAIN THE SAME. SO ANY BEHAVIORAL DATA, FOR INSTANCE, THAT GOES INTO THAT PLATFORM. UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BEHAVIORAL DATA NOW WILL ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO IT THEN. SO, UM, OUR, OUR PROTOCOLS ARE, ARE OVERARCHING OVER THESE SYSTEMS, UH, AN UMBRELLA OF, UH, HOW WE, UH, TREAT STUDENT DATA AND WHO HAS ACCESS TO WHAT AND WHY. UM, THE COMPANY OPEN ARCHITECTS, UH, HAS IMPLEMENTED SOME, UH, BASIC AI FUNCTIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY USE THE DATA. IT DOESN'T TREAT THE DATA WITH AI. IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS A PERSON TO ASK A QUESTION AND IT SIMPLY POINTS IT TO THE DASHBOARD IF ONE EXISTS WITH THAT DATA IN IT. SO IT, IT'S MORE, UM, A HELP SYSTEM THAN ANY, ANYTHING ELSE. AND I THINK I MIGHT'VE MISSED ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. YEAH. I THINK THE, THE LAST ONE WAS KIND OF ATTACK ON TO THE SECOND, WHICH IS WHETHER CCPS CCPS HAS, UH, AI USE POLICIES IN PLACE FOR EDUCATORS AS WELL AS STUDENTS THAT MIGHT AFFECT FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION OF A PRODUCT LIKE ARCHIE. WE ARE, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THOSE AND WE HAVE, UH, GUIDANCE THAT, IN FACT, WE'VE HAD GUIDANCE FOR, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW THAT WE, UH, UH, IMPLEMENTED AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO KEEP AN EYE ON, UH, AI AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT HOW WE USE DATA, CONSUME DATA, AND HOW A DATA IS PRODUCED. SO, UM, THAT IS CERTAINLY, UH, A BIG TOPIC ON OUR MIND RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, WE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE HAS. THANK [01:00:01] YOU. YEAH. ESPECIALLY IN THIS DAY AND AGE. UM, AI AND SELLING DATA HAS BEEN A HOT TOPIC, UH, ACROSS THE US IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE LAST SURVEILLANCE TOOL, WHICH IS THE BUS VIDEO RECORDERS THAT ALSO POTENTIALLY INCLUDES THE GPS DEVICES AND ED LOCK TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. YOU CAN FIND THIS UNDER NUMBER 35 IN THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO WALK US THROUGH, UH, WHAT THE TOOL IS AND WHAT IT DOES? UH, PARTICULARLY THE BUS VIDEO RECORDERS? CERTAINLY THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, THE GPS BUS RECORDERS ARE, ARE TWO WE HAVE ON ALL OF OUR BUSES FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE, UM, RECORDERS, UH, ON BUSES TO RECORD, UH, BEHAVIOR, THE DRIVER, UH, THE MONITORS, UH, JUST SO AS A EXTRA LAYER OF SAFETY AND PROTECTION FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON, ON BUS TRANSPORTATION TRIPS SO THAT WE CAN, UM, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OR CONCERN THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, REVIEW. UM, WHAT HAS HAPPENED THERE. GPS IS ALSO, WE'VE HAD OUR GPS MONITOR SYSTEMS IN PLACE FOR SOME YEARS. UH, IT IS, UH, A SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE IN WHICH OUR FAMILIES, UH, SIGN UP TO THE SUBSCRIPTION AND THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO MONITOR BOTH DOOR TO DOOR TRANSPORTATION AND ALSO, UM, OUR BIG YELLOW EASTERN BUS, UH, TRAVEL, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORT VEHICLES AS THEY MOVE, UH, FROM POINT A TO POINT B, WHETHER THAT BE SCHOOL TO HOME OR HOME TO SCHOOL. GOTCHA. AND ARE YOU ABLE TO JUST QUICKLY WALK US THROUGH HOW THESE CAMERAS ON SCHOOL BUSES HAVE HELPED, HOW THEY'VE HELPED IN TERMS OF THE YOU MADAM CHAIR? UM, OKAY. JUST A CLARIFICATION, HOW THEY'VE HELPED IN TERMS OF, WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF SITUATIONS OR INCIDENTS ON THE BUS WHERE WE HAVE HAD DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES RELAYED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED FROM, UH, AUTO, FROM FENDER BENDERS TO BEHAVIOR ON BUSES TO, UM, WHETHER A STUDENT WAS PRESENT ON THE BUS OR NOT. HAVING THE VIDEOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE ALLOWS US TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON THE BUS. GOTCHA. AND THOSE CAMERAS ARE BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO THE SCHOOL BUSES? UH, THE WAY THEY ARE POSITIONED, YOU CAN SEE THE DOOR, UM, THE, THE STEPS COMING ON, AND THERE IS ONE, I BELIEVE, IN THE FRONT OF THE BUS, RIGHT BEHIND THE DRIVER, UM, BEHIND THE, THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND ONE IN THE BACK OF THE BUS FACING FORWARD. SO YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THE PASSENGERS ON THE BUS AND THE DRIVER'S INTERACTIONS. GOTCHA. OKAY. I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COUNSELORS, IF THERE ARE ANY. OKAY. I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, HOW LONG IS THE FOOTAGE USUALLY RETAINED FOR AND, UM, WHAT'S THE PROCESS LIKE INTERNALLY FOR WHO CAN ACCESS IT? SO CURRENT THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR, CURRENTLY? UM, I'D HAVE TO GET YOU SOME DATES ON IT, BUT I BELIEVE, UH, IT'S NOT AN UNLIMITED CAPACITY. UM, UH, DEPENDING ON, WE HAVE FOR THE EDU LOG, UH, BUSES THAT WE ARE USING FOR OUR, OUR EASTERN BUS VENDOR, UM, THEY ARE PHYSICAL, UM, CAM CAMCORDERS. UM, SO IF WE WANTED TO ACCESS A SLICE OF A VIDEO FOOTAGE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO THE BUS DEPOT WHEN THE BUS IS THERE, PULL THE TAPE OUT, RECORD OR DOWNLOAD THE SECTION OF TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THAT'S WHAT OUR TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR DOES. THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT SLICE OF, OF INFORMATION THAT WE WANT, THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR WHO SOLELY KEEPS THIS DATA, WILL SHARE THAT DATA WITH, UM, THE PRINCIPAL AND FOR WHATEVER PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. AND I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, I DON'T, IT'S NOT AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF TIME. I WAS GONNA SAY 10 DAYS, BUT I, I, I HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU IN TERMS OF HOW LONG THE DATA IS ACCESSIBLE ON A GIVEN, UM, RECORDING, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVICE. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCILLOR NOLAN, THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU. I HAD NOT HAD QUESTIONS, BUT THEN AS I REVIEW THIS, I WAS, HOW OFTEN HAS THIS BEEN USED AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE A NUMBER OF INSTANCES? I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THIS BE DONE IF IT'S USEFUL, BUT IT, IT SAYS IT HAS BEEN USED IN DISCIPLINE, BUT IS THAT 25 TIMES A MONTH, ONCE A YEAR? DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF HOW OFTEN THERE HAS BEEN A CONCERN AND HOW DOES THIS INFLUENCE THE PRESENCE OF BUS MONITORS ON THE BUSES THROUGH YOU, MADAM CHAIR TO COUNCILLOR NOLAN? [01:05:01] UM, OUR BUSES, THE EQUIPMENT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE BUSES NOW RECORD WHEN THE BUS IS TURNED ON AND THEY GO OFF WHEN THE BUS IS TURNED OFF. SO THEY ARE IGNITION, UH, SENSITIVE WHERE IGNITION STARTED. UM, THEY RECORD THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE ROUTE. UH, THEY SHOULD BE RECORDING THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE ROUTE. I WILL SAY THAT TIMES THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH FUNCTIONALITY, UM, MALFUNCTIONING. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS IN TIP TOP SHAPE. UM, THEY RECORD THE DRIVES OR THE ROUTE IN THE MORNING IN THE AM AND ROUTE IN THE PM COMING BACK HOME. UM, VIDEO, UH, SEGMENTS ARE ONLY VIEWED IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OF CONCERN ON THE BUS. AND SO WE ARE NOT REVIEWING TAPES EVERY DAY. UM, IF THERE IS A REPORT THAT TWO INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS MAY HAVE GOTTEN INTO AN ALTERCATION OR IF THEIR STUDENT WAS MISSING ON THE BUS, OR IF THERE WAS AN INTERACTION BETWEEN, UH, THE BUS DRIVER AND SOMEONE ELSE, THEN WE START THE PROCESS, LIKE I DESCRIBED BEFORE, OF IDENTIFYING THAT DATE AND THEN GOING INTO TO LOOK AT, UM, WHAT THE VIDEO MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, RECORDED. YEAH, I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, HOW OFTEN IS THERE A REPORT MADE SUCH THAT YOU PULL THAT VIDEO? IS IT ONCE A MONTH? I WOULD SAY ONCE A DAY, MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK. WE'D HAVE, UH, A REPORT AND THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A BUS, BUT I MORE THAN ONCE, PROBABLY LESS THAN 10. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S USEFUL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO AGAIN, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. THERE ARE A LOT OF TOOLS IN THIS, AND THE ONES THAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY WERE RELATED TO CPD AND CPS. UM, WE, JUST FOR CLARITY, WE WERE DISCUSSING THE REPORT. THIS IS NOT A FINITE CONVERSATION, UM, AND IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN, WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO FUTURE CONVERSATIONS AROUND, UM, HOW THAT IMPACTS RESIDENTS OUTREACH TECHNIQUES. WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE REPORTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO US. UM, AND WITH THAT, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOTION BY COUNCILLOR MCGOVERN TO ADJOURN. YEP. JUST BEFORE WE DO THAT. YEP. I JUST, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THESE REPORTS? LIKE REFER THEM BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO SAY THEY'VE BEEN ACCEPTED? I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT PROCESS WE WERE IN. I, I THOUGHT IF THEY, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, THANK YOU TO YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, OR THROUGH YOU. UH, SO TWO THINGS. SO ONE IS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS HERE, THE OPEN ARCHITECTS IS A STIR REPORT THAT HAS TO GET COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO ONE OPTION COULD BE THE COMMITTEE COULD SEND IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A, A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION OR A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION THE COUN, UH, COMMITTEE WANTS SO THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, CAN THEN VOTE TO APPROVE THAT TECHNOLOGY, UM, IF, OR YOU HAVE THAT BEFORE THE COUNCIL. AND THEN, UM, ON THE ANNUAL REPORT, UM, IF YOU'RE NOT, UH, CHANGING ANY OF THE APPROVALS TO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT APPEARS ON THE REPORT, UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN THAT REGARD, BUT THERE'S STILL A REQUIREMENT THAT, DO YOU HAVE IT? UM, THANK YOU. UH, AFTER THE ANNUAL REPORT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, UM, THE COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED TO DO A REPORT ABOUT WHETHER WHAT STIRS HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITHIN THE PAST YEAR AND WHETHER THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED, DISAPPROVED OR REQUIRED MODIFICATIONS TO ANY SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU, MADAM CHAIR, OFFLINE, ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE DID, WHAT THE COUNCIL DID LAST YEAR TO FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT, AND THAT COULD BE PUT ON A FUTURE COUNCIL AGENDA. GOTCHA. THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION AND CLARIFICATION. SO, IF WE HAVE A MOTION ON OPEN ARCHITECTS, SINCE THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY REFERRED TO COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT. UM, UN UNLESS WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT FROM SOMEONE FOR A FAVORABLE NEUTRAL, OR, UM, I MOVE THAT WE REFER THE OPEN ARCHITECTURE BACK TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE IN FUTURE STIRS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILOR NOLAN TO REFER TO THE MAIN CITY COUNCIL. THE OPEN ARCHITECTS STIR WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. DO WE NEED A SECOND FOR THAT? NO. NO. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COUNCILOR ZUBY? YES. YES. COUNCILOR MCGOVERN? YES. YES. COUNCILOR NOLAN? YES. YES. COUNCILOR SIMMONS? YES. YES. COUNCILOR SABRINA WHEELER. YES. THAT'S FIVE MEMBERS VOTING. YES. AND I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY ORDINANCE AND THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO BACK [01:10:01] TO THE MOTION TO ADJOURN BY COUNCILOR MCGOVERN. COUNCIL ZUBIE? YES. YES. COUNCILOR MCGOVERN. YES. COUNCILOR NOLAN? YES. YES. COUNCILLOR SIMMONS? YES. YES. COUNCILOR SABRINA WHEELER. YES. FIVE MEMBERS VOTING? YES. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.