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WELCOME TO THE MAY 12TH, 2026 MEETING OF THE CAMBRIDGE PLANNING BOARD.

MY NAME IS TOM SOVICH, AND I AM THE CHAIR PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2025, ADOPTED BY THE MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL COURT AND APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR.

THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED TO USE REMOTE PARTICIPATION AT MEETINGS OF THE CAMBRIDGE PLANNING BOARD.

ALL BOARD MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL STATE THEIR NAME BEFORE SPEAKING, AND ALL VOTES WILL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE KEPT ON MUTE UNTIL IT IS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I'LL GIVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME.

AND YOU CAN ALSO FIND INSTRUCTIONS ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE FOR REMOTE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS.

THIS MEETING IS BEING VIDEO AND AUDIO RECORDED AND IS BEING STREAMED LIVE ON THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE'S ONLINE MEETING PORTAL AND ON CABLE TELEVISION CHANNEL 22 WITHIN CAMBRIDGE.

THERE WILL ALSO BE A TRANSCRIPT MADE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS.

I'LL START BY ASKING STAFF TO TAKE BOARD MEMBER ATTENDANCE AND TO VERIFY THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE AUDIBLE EACH.

THEODORE COHEN, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? TED IS ABSENT.

MARY FLYNN, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? I'M PRESENT AND IT IS VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE.

THANK YOU.

MARY ECKER, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE.

THANK YOU.

UH, DIEGO MACIAS, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE.

THANK YOU.

DIEGO.

UH, ASHLEY TAN, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT AND VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE.

THANK YOU, CAROLYN.

ZERN, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE.

THANK YOU.

UH, GOING TO THE ASSOCIATE MEMBERS, DAN ANDERSON, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? I HAVE, AND YES.

TO ALL OF THE ABOVE.

THANK YOU.

UH, ENJOY.

JACKSON, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE.

THANK YOU.

AND FINALLY, THE CHAIR, THOMPSON VIC, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE? OKAY.

WE HAVE SIX REGULAR MEMBERS PRESENT AND TWO ASSOCIATE MEMBERS PRESENT.

THANK YOU, EVAN.

THE FIRST ITEM IS AN UPDATE FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE ALSO INTRODUCE ANY STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE PRESENT AT THE MEETING THIS EVENING.

EVAN, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YES.

UM, EVAN PETRINI.

I'M THE SENIOR MANAGER, UH, FOR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT WITH ME.

UH, ALSO FROM ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT.

SWATHI JOSEPH IS HERE.

JEFF ROBERTS, UH, ALSO HERE.

UM, AND ALSO FROM CDD IN OUR, UH, COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DESIGN DIVISION, ERIC THOR, GOLDSON, UH, ONE OF OUR URBAN DESIGNERS, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IT FOR CITY STAFF.

UM, TONIGHT, UH, WE HAVE ONE GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM.

THIS IS A, A PLANNING BOARD ADVISORY CONSULTATION.

THIS IS THE, UM, I'LL, I'LL GIVE A MORE DETAILED INTRO LATER, BUT THIS IS THE SECOND OF, OF TWO ADVISORY CONSULTATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, AFTER THIS IS THE, THE FIRST AND ONLY MEETING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WILL HAVE IN MAY.

UM, SO A LIGHT MONTH THIS MONTH.

UM, BUT JUNE WILL BE A BIT BUSIER.

WE'VE GOT ON JUNE 2ND, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS ON TWO ZONING PETITIONS, UM, UH, REGARDING ACTIVE USES ON CAMBRIDGE STREET AND MASS AVE.

THIS IS, UM, A, A SORT OF CONTINUED CONVERSATION FROM, UH, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, ORDERS THAT COULDN'T BE DONE IN THOSE PETITIONS.

SO, UM, SO NOW WE HAVE A, A SUBSEQUENT, UM, SET OF PETITIONS TO, TO LOOK AT.

SO THAT'LL BE ON JUNE 2ND, UM, JUNE 16TH.

THIS ISN'T CONFIRMED YET, BUT WE'LL LIKELY HAVE A, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT CASE TO REVIEW.

UM, SO STAY TUNED FOR THAT ONE.

AND THEN ON JUNE 30TH, WE HAVE THE ANNUAL UTILITY REPORTS.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S COMING UP, UM, IN THE NEXT MONTH AND A HALF OR SO.

UM, BUT I'LL STOP THERE

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AND PASS IT BACK TO THE CHAIR.

THANK YOU, EVAN.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EVAN OR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS FROM BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS TIME? NO ONE INDICATES SUCH.

UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM IS AN APPROVAL OF BOARD MINUTES OF MEETING MINUTES.

THE BOARD HAS RECEIVED, UH, CERTIFIED TRANSCRIPTS FOR THE MEETINGS HELD ON MARCH 31ST, 2026.

UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND RAISE YOUR HAND.

NOBODY INDICATES SUCH.

I AM LOOKING THEN, UH, FOR A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TRANSCRIPTS AS THE MEETING MINUTES.

UH, PLEASE REMEMBER TO YOUR, SAY TO, UH, SAY YOUR NAME WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION.

UH, THIS IS MARY FLYNN.

SO MOVED.

THANK YOU, MARY.

LOOKING FOR A SECOND.

THIS IS DIEGO.

SECOND.

THANK YOU, DIEGO.

UH, EVAN, A ROLL CALL VOTE.

UH, TED COHEN IS ABSENT.

UH, MARY FLYNN? YES.

MARY ECKER.

YES.

DIEGO MACIAS.

YES.

ASHLEY TAN.

YES.

CAROLYN ZERN? YES.

AND THOMPSON VIC? YES.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

UM, OKAY, ONTO OUR AGENDA ITEM.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, ONE A.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AN ADVISORY CONSULTATION OF CASE NUMBER PBAC DASH TWO AT 1740 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE.

A MIXED USE PROJECT PROPOSED BY OLD NORTH DEVELOPMENT COMPANY TO CONSTRUCT A SIX STORY BUILDING TO CREATE 71 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 75 FEET, 75 LONG TERM, AND 13 SHORT TERM BICYCLE PARKING SPACES, AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE BASEMENT AND FIRST FLOOR WITH A GROSS FLOOR AREA OF A 64,330 SQUARE FEET.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH STAFF EXPLAINING WHY THIS IS BEFORE US.

THEN WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE DEVELOPER, FOLLOWED BY PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN THE BOARD WILL ASK QUESTIONS.

AND FINALLY, WE'LL DISCUSS THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

EVAN, TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO REQUIRED ADVISORY CONSULTATION SESSIONS FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, THE BOARD MAY REMEMBER THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, NON A HO PROJECT TO GO THROUGH THIS PLANNING BOARD ADVISORY CONSULTATION PROCESS.

UM, THAT'S A PROCESS THAT NOW APPLIES TO ALL RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS BETWEEN, UM, 50 AND 75,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AND, AND JUST AS, AS A REMINDER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS DESIGN REVIEW IS NOT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO GRANT OR DENY A PERMIT, UH, BUT TO PROVIDE ADVISORY COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN AND ITS OVERALL CONFORMANCE WITH THE CITY'S URBAN DESIGN OBJECTIVES AND GUIDELINES, UH, WHICH ARE, ARE SUMMARIZED IN.

UM, THE CDD MEMOS PROVIDED.

THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL ON FEBRUARY 10TH OF THIS YEAR AND ISSUED A PRELIMINARY REPORT ON MARCH 4TH, UH, THAT WAS SENT TO THE DEVELOPER.

UH, THE DEVELOPER SUBMITTED A SET OF UPDATED PLANS AND CDD ZONING AND URBAN DESIGN TEAMS HAVE PROVIDED REPORTS TO THE BOARD AND STAFF MEMBERS ARE PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UH, TONIGHT THE BOARD WILL REVIEW THE UPDATED PROPOSAL AND DECIDE WHAT COMMENTS TO INCLUDE IN A FINAL REPORT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVAN.

SO THE PRESENTER TONIGHT I'M TOLD IS ADAM SIEGEL.

YOU'LL HAVE UP TO 30 MINUTES, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, THOUGH.

WE HOPE YOU CAN KEEP IT AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE.

UM, I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOCUS ON WHAT'S CHANGED SINCE WE LAST SAW THE PROPOSAL IN FEBRUARY.

UM, I THINK THAT'S THE FASTEST WAY AND THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO MOVE THE DISCUSSION FORWARD.

SO, UM, BEFORE YOU START, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE ANY PROJECT TEAM MEMBERS AND BEGIN.

AND GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

I'M ADAM SIEGEL FROM OLD NORTH DEVELOPMENT.

I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH MY PARTNER, BRENNAN SEAVER.

UM, OUR PROJECT TEAM IS HERE AS WELL.

PETER QUINN FROM PETER QUINN, ARCHITECTS MILTON, MILTON YU FROM PETER QUINN.

ARCHITECTS, Y CHEN FROM PETER QUINN ARCHITECTS, UH, KATYA PDO FROM VERDANT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE.

AND CAMERON CAMPBELL FROM BURKE, UH, SITE CIVIL.

AND I BELIEVE, UH, YING Y AND KATYA HAVE NOT BEEN ELEVATED TO PANELISTS.

SO SWATH, IF YOU COULD ELEVATE THEM TO PANELISTS, THAT'D BE APPRECIATED.

SO WE'RE HERE TO TONIGHT TO PRESENT UPDATES WE MADE, UH, INCORPORATING FEEDBACK FROM THE CDD AND PLANNING BOARD MEMOS, UH, ON

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THE FIRST.

PETER, IF YOU COULD, UH, SHARE YOUR SCREEN, UH, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN PARTICULAR, ADAM? SORRY, IT'S NOT THE PRE THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY.

YEAH.

HANG ON.

LET'S GO TO THE FIRST.

OKAY.

DO YOU WANNA START WITH THE FIRST SLIDE, PETER? THAT'S THE FIRST SLIDE.

OKAY.

UM, SO ON THE FIRST SLIDE WE HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, OF MODIFICATIONS WE MADE, UH, FOLLOWING, REVIEWING AND RESPONDING TO THE, THE STAFF REPORT AND THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD REPORT.

AND I THINK THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED WAS TO GO THROUGH THESE, THESE COMMENTS, UH, OFF THE BAT.

SO, PETER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE IT AWAY AND, AND WE CAN RUN THROUGH THEM.

UM, THE FIRST TWO, I THINK ACTUALLY MIGHT BE MORE OF YOUR HISTORY ON THIS.

SURE.

UH, ADAM, IF YOU WANNA START WITH THESE AND THEN, THEN I CAN PICK IT UP.

DEFINITELY.

UM, SO WE HAD A, WE, UH, ORGANIZED A MEETING WITH THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION STAFF ABOUT INCORPORATING BLUE BIKES ONTO LINEAN STREET AND, UH, POTENTIALLY MODIFYING THE STREET TREE PLACEMENT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, TO ALSO MOVE SOME OF THE SHORT-TERM BIKE RACKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED, UH, ON THE PROPERTY TO BE IN THE PUBLIC REALM TO BE A LITTLE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR AN URBAN STREET DESIGN.

AND WE HAD A, A GOOD, UH, GOOD MEETING.

THERE WAS A, THERE WERE A FEW STAFF MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND 'CAUSE THEY WERE ON VACATION, BUT THAT CONVERSATION IS, IS ONGOING AND WE INTEND TO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY ACCOMMODATE A BLUE BIKE STATION ON LINEAN STREET TOWARD THE INTERSECTION AND THEN ADD, UH, SHORT-TERM BIKE PARKING SPACES, UH, INTO THE, ALONG THE SIDEWALK IN THE CURB EDGE.

UM, THERE, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT LOCATING, PICKUP AND DROP OFF IN THE FRONT YARD.

UM, AND I DON'T, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA OCCUR BASED ON THIS SECTION OF THE ZONING.

OKAY.

WE'LL PICK IT UP FROM HERE.

SO THE, UH, FIRST COMMENT, UH, WAS ABOUT THE, UH, THE SPACE THAT, UM, IS RIGHT HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ACTUALLY THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER.

AND WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE PULLED THE FACADE BACK TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE AROUND, UM, WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE A COFFEE SHOP.

UM, AND, UH, THIS ALLOWS, UH, SOME SHELTER AND SOME TABLES AND THE LIKE, I CAN SHOW YOU THAT IN PLAN AS WELL.

JUST GIMME A SECOND.

UM, RIGHT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO THE BUILDING'S ALREADY PULLED BACK, UH, A LITTLE BIT FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THERE IS, UH, THERE IS A SPACE RIGHT IN HERE WHERE SOME CAFE TABLES COULD, COULD SIT, AND IT JUST GIVES A LITTLE MORE BREATHING ROOM OVERALL TO THIS AREA.

UM, SO THAT WAS, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UM, IS ALSO GETS A LITTLE MORE LIGHT INTO THIS COMMERCIAL SPACE AND MAKE IT A VERY PLEASANT, UH, WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE A CAFE SPACE AS WELL.

UM, WE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, A BUILDING MURAL.

AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN, UH, THINKING ABOUT THAT AS KIND OF A FUN TOPIC.

UM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, UH, LINEAN STREET IS NAMED AFTER CARL IAN, WHO WAS THE FATHER OF BOTANY.

AND, UM, AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SOME SORT OF, UH, BOTANICAL, UM, ELEMENT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BUILT INTO THE, THE, UM, CLADDING SYSTEM THAT WE USE.

AND, UM, SO JUST MADE A SUGGESTION HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, KIND OF A NICE GESTURE.

UM, THESE ACTUALLY ARE, UH, PLANTS THAT, UH, ARE NAMED AFTER HIM, HAVE HIS NAME IN THE LATIN PAIN.

LOVE IT.

UM, SO GOING AROUND A LITTLE BIT, UH, TO, UH, THIS SIDE HERE.

UM, HANG ON JUST A SECOND.

UM, YEAH, SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO GET MORE LIGHT INTO THESE, UH, STUDIO UNITS THAT ARE OVER HERE.

AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY DID, I THINK IT'S BEST TO SHOW THAT ON THE ELEVATION.

JUST, UH, GIMME A SECOND THERE AND GET THERE.

OKAY.

SO WE'VE WIDENED, UM, THESE WINDOWS AND ACTUALLY GOTTEN A LITTLE MORE HEIGHT IN THEM AS WELL.

WE ARE CONSTRICTED ON THAT BY, UM, AN OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF OPENING THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THIS SIDE, GIVEN HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, THERE'S SPECIFIC BUILDING CODE LIMITATIONS ON THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO ALLOCATE IT A LITTLE BETTER SO THAT THE STUDIOS HAVE, HAVE GENEROUS, UH, WINDOWS.

UM, THE STUDIOS ARE SITTING RIGHT IN THE CHAIR.

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YEAH.

UM, PARTITIONS WERE ADDED TO THE, UH, BALCONIES WHERE THEY, UM, ARE SHARED WITH DIFFERENT, UH, UNITS.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE JUST WANTED TO KEEP IT REALLY SIMPLE.

THESE ARE NOT, UM, BALCONY, THESE ARE NOT PARTY DECKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE MORE LIKE FLOWER POTS AND, UH, MAYBE A COUPLE CHAIRS KIND OF BALCONY.

SO, UM, WE, UH, WE'RE JUST CONTINUING THE SAME RAILING FEATURE, UH, TO, TO SEPARATE THEM.

UM, OKAY.

UH, NEXT SECTION WOULD BE THE, UH, TOP SECTION OF THE, UM, THE, THE AREA AROUND THE GARAGE DOOR.

YOU MAY RECALL WE HAD A GARAGE DOOR, UH, IN THE BACK SECTION OF THE BUILDING, AND WE DID ADD A, UM, A LIGHT IN THAT GARAGE DOOR.

UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER FEATURES HERE TOO THAT I CAN JUST TAKE ALL SPEAK, SPEAK TO ALL AT ONCE.

UM, SO, UM, THERE'S A GLAZING PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE ACCURATELY PORTRAYED.

AND, UH, WE ALSO STARTED TO DETAIL THE BRICK A LITTLE BIT, CREATING THESE SHADOW BOXES, UM, IN HERE.

UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A, UH, UH, IT'S KIND OF A, A TURNED, UH, UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE BRO LOCK, NOT BRO LOCK, UM, UH, BAND, BAND COURSE OF BRICK, WHERE THE BRICKS ARE, ARE TURNED TO GIVE A LITTLE, UH, KIND OF INTERESTING SHADOW.

I THINK WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT IN LIKE THIS, UM, CORNER OF COURSE IS NOT 90 DEGREES.

SO WE'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY, UH, PLAY WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT AND HAVE A KIND OF DISPLAYED CORNER AS WELL.

AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF OTHER FEATURES THAT WE ADD AS WE DEVELOP THE DESIGN, BUT I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO GET A HANDLE ON IT.

AND, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT DEVELOP MORE, UM, MOVING ON THE ELEVATORS INSIDE THE BUILDING.

UH, NOT, NOT A MUNDANE TOPIC FOR US BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S, UH, SE SEVERAL BIKE PEOPLE ON THIS TEAM.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE ACTUALLY MADE THE ELEVATORS, UM, OVERSIZED ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CAMBRIDGE BYLAW SO THAT WE CAN GET CARGO BIKES.

AND WE, WE FOUND THAT IT WAS JUST AS EASY TO DO BOTH OF THESE, UM, AS, UM, THESE, THESE LARGE OVERSIZED, UM, ELEVATORS.

AND THEY'LL TAKE THE CARGO BIKES DOWN TO THE BASEMENT AND IN AN INCIDENT AND, UH, ANY OTHER BIKE AS WELL.

UM, WE DID MAP OUT THE ROUTING OF THE BIKES INTO THE BUILDING THAT YOU'LL SEE THIS DASH RED LINE AS I GO THROUGH THE PLANS, UM, THAT SHOWS HOW THEY GET DOWN INTO THE BASEMENT AND SO FORTH.

UM, THE QUANTITY OF, UH, ROOFTOP CONDENSERS HAS BEEN, UH, GREATLY REDUCED.

UM, THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT WE, UM, ARE GOING TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM ON THE STUDIOS.

SO PREVIOUSLY WE HAD, UM, EVERY STUDIO HAD A ROOFTOP CONDENSER, AND NOW WE ARE FINDING THAT WE CAN DO ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY INSIDE THE UNIT AND WE'LL VENTILATE THROUGH THE WALL, UM, WITH A, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SMALL, UM, PENETRATION OF THE WALL.

AND, UM, AND THIS MEETS THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PASSIVE HOUSE STANDARD.

SO WE, WE REALLY GOT A, GOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ROOFTOP CONDENSERS DOWN TO JUST THE LARGER UNITS, THE ONE BEDROOMS AND LARGER, AND THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, UM, WHICH REALLY MAKES, MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO DEAL WITH IN TERMS OF, UM, SITING AND TRYING TO GET A LARGE ENOUGH, UH, SOLAR ARRAY UP HERE.

DOESN'T AFFECT OUR GREEN ROOF ADVERSELY AT ALL.

SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT OUTCOME.

UM, SO ALL THE STUDIOS, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MAJORITY STUDIO BUILDING, SO THAT REALLY HAS TAKEN OFF A LOT OF, UH, CONDENSERS FROM THE ROOF.

UM, AND JUST TO CONTINUE WITH THAT POINT, UM, WE DID DO A NUMBER OF STUDIES TO SHOW, UM, AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS IN A LIVE 3D MODEL, UM, THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN SKETCHUP.

UM, THIS IS THE, THE, THE VIEW THAT YOU WOULD SEE IT FROM ABOUT 500 FEET AWAY ON MASS AVE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ANY ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT EXCEPT FOR THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PENTHOUSE OF THE ELEVATOR IN THE SHED FOR THE, UM, STAIRWAYS AND THE LIKE.

AND, UM, GOING A LITTLE CLOSER, OF COURSE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANYTHING THEN.

UM, BUT THAT DOES SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, WE SET THE PARAPET AT APPROXIMATELY 18 INCHES ABOVE THE ROOFING.

UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE PLACES WE HAD TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER, BUT IT'S MOSTLY 18 INCHES.

AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE AMOUNT GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION UP TOWARD PORT SQUARE.

LOOKING BACK AT 450 FEET, UH, WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, VIRTUALLY NO MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AS WELL.

AND THEN A LITTLE CLOSER, OF COURSE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANY THERE EITHER.

AND THEN WE STARTED IT FROM,

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UH, LINEAN STREET, SO THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 400 FEET DOWN.

LOOKING BACK, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT THERE, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE RAISED THE PARABIT UP TO THREE FEET RIGHT IN HERE, JUST TO, THIS WOULD BE THE ONE PLACE YOU WOULD SEE IT IF WE HAD KEPT IT AT 18.

BUT ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT HELPS AMASSING A LITTLE BIT TO HAVE THAT STAGGERED, UM, UM, PARAPET HEIGHT AND THEN A LITTLE CLOSER, SAME KIND OF THING.

YOU DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH AT ALL.

UM, LET'S SEE.

WE'LL GET TO THE LANDSCAPING IN A MINUTE, AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE, UH, KATYA MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THAT.

UM, GROUND STORY BRICK.

WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WESTERN END OF LINE FAC.

UH, STREET FACADE HAS BEEN GIVEN A LITTLE MORE, UM, RESIDENTIAL SCALE DETAIL.

SO LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT THAT IS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IN HERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF, UH, UM, VARYING THE WINDOWS A LITTLE BIT, BUT MOST OF THE WINDOWS AND I THINK WAS A FAIR CRITICISM, UM, HAVE KIND OF MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, MAJOR STREET SCAPE KIND OF SIZING TO THEM.

SO WHEN WE GOT TO THE RESIDENTIAL END OF THIS, WHICH ENDS ALONG ROUGHLY ALONG THIS LINE HERE, UH, WE SCALED THE WINDOWS BACK TO SINGLES AND DOUBLES RATHER THAN TRIPLES.

AND, UM, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, UH, BLANK PANEL AS WELL.

SO I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT KIND OF REDUCE THE, UH, UM, COMMERCIAL SCALE OF, OF THE, THE WINDOW GLAZING, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO NASA.

UM, I CAN ALSO SHOW YOU COUPLE MORE.

THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR MY LIST, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF OUR RENDERINGS SINCE YOU FOLKS ASKED FOR THOSE.

SO THIS IS THE ONE I ALREADY SHOWED YOU, UM, SHOWING THE PROJECTIONS AND KIND OF THE HIERARCHY OF THE BAYS ON THE FRONT.

UM, AND THE, THE OVERHANG THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, THAT CREATES A NICE, UH, EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE BUILDING EDGE.

AND THAT WRAPS AROUND HERE.

NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RIGHT UP AT THAT DOORWAY, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A, ALMOST A, UH, A SMALL PLAZA THERE ABOUT 12 FEET WIDE TO, UM, SIT BETWEEN THESE PLANTERS AND THAT DOORWAY.

SO IT'S JUST A COMPRESSION OF THE, OF THE, UH, 3D MODEL.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRIED TO WRAP THE KIND OF LANDSCAPE THREAD AROUND THE BUILDING, AND KATYA CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

UM, AN AERIAL VIEW, GET A GOOD SHOT OF OUR, UH, CARL LINEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TWIN FLOWERS.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY A, UM, STREET VIEW, OR APPROXIMATELY A STREET VIEW, UM, ACROSS, UH, LINEAN STREET.

AND, YOU KNOW, HERE YOU CAN SEE THE STEP DOWN, I'VE MENTIONED ABOUT THE GLAZING HAVING BEEN, UM, MODIFIED, BUT WE ALSO ARE, YOU KNOW, STEPPING THE BUILDING BACK TO TRY TO GET TO THIS LOWER LEVEL, UH, AS THE PRIMARY, UH, FACADE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AT JUST FOUR STORIES RATHER THAN SIX.

AND THEN THIS STEPS BACK ABOUT FIVE FEET.

AND THIS ONE STEPS BACK, I THINK A LITTLE MORE.

BUT YEAH, BASICALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL IN REFERENCE TO, UH, WHAT WE HAVE TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE RIGHT AND THE TRANSITION TO THE RESIDENTIAL SCALE OF LINEAN STREET.

UM, LET'S SEE.

EXCUSE ME JUST FOR A SECOND, A LOT OF SLIDES.

UM, YEAH, SO THIS IS THE SIDE.

WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

UM, OTHER 3D MODELS, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE IN THE EARLIER VERSION.

THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME NOW.

AND ACTUALLY, UH, WE DID GET A PREVIEW, UM, WITH OUR, UH, TEAM TODAY OF, OF THIS IN A 3D LIVE MODEL, BUT I THINK I'LL, I'LL JUST NOT GO INTO THESE IN TOO MUCH DETAIL BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BETTER TO SEE IN, IN THE FLY BY THAT WE SET UP.

BUT, UM, IN THE MEANTIME, I'M GOING TO PASS THE BATON HERE TO KATYA AND I'LL KEEP OPEN THE LANDSCAPE IMAGES THAT WE HAVE SO SHE CAN PRESENT THAT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, PETER.

I'M KATYA PSLO.

I'M PRINCIPAL AT VERDANT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE.

UM, WE'VE MADE JUST A FEW UPDATES TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN RESPONSE TO A FEW SLATE BUILDING CHANGES, UM, AS WELL AS TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.

UM, NUMBER ONE, WE'VE ADDED SOME LOW SHRUBS ALONG THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT SIDE PROPERTY LINE, IT HAD BEEN ALL CRUSHED STONE IN BETWEEN THE FENCE LINE AND OUR BUILDING, BUT WE'VE ADDED SHRUBS ALONG THAT EDGE AND ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE THERE THAT YOU SEE.

UM, AND WE'VE ALSO, IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER THERE, YOU SEE A SMALL TREE.

UM, WE HAD PROPOSED A LARGER SCALE TREE IN THAT LOCATION, BUT IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH SOIL VOLUME, UM, ACCESSIBLE TO THAT TREE.

SO WE

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SUBSTITUTED IT FOR A MUCH SMALLER STYLE TREE THAT'LL JUST BE A SERVICE BERRY, UM, INSTEAD OF A LARGER SHADE TREE.

UM, WE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE, AS PETER HAS SHOWN IN THE PRETTY PICTURES OF THE, AND RENDERINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE MORE OF LATER.

UM, THERE'S A DESIRE TO INCORPORATE MORE PLANTERS IN PLANTINGS AROUND THE EDGES AND AT THE ENTRY TO THE LOBBY, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS LOCATION.

UM, BUT ALSO INTO THE RETAIL ON THE FAR CORNER.

SO WE'VE ADDED A NUMBER OF PLANTERS.

UM, THEY'RE HEAVY DUTY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE COMPANY STREET LIFE.

UM, THEY'RE LIKE THESE FAIRLY HEAVY DUTY, UM, PRODUCTS THAT ARE INSTALLED AND THEY HAVE INTEGRATE, YOU CAN HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS OF, UH, INTEGRATED BENCHES.

SO WE LIKE THE IDEA THAT AS YOU WALK TOWARDS THIS LOBBY, THERE'D BE TWO BENCHES ON EITHER SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT THE, UM, YEAH, IF YOU COULD GO TO A RENDERING, THAT'D BE LOVELY.

YEP.

THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU.

SO THERE ARE CANTILEVERED WOOD BENCHES, UM, IN THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE PLANTERS ALONGSIDE, SO ADDING GREENERY AS WELL AS BENCH SEEDING OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, ALL THE PLANTERS WILL BE, UM, PART OF A PERMANENT IRRIGATION SYSTEM SO WE CAN BE SURE THEY GET ENOUGH WATER, UM, NOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHIN PLANTERS, WHICH WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE PERMANENT IRRIGATION IN THEM SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND WATER THEM ALL THE TIME.

BUT ALSO BECAUSE THESE ARE LARGELY LOCATED UNDERNEATH BUILDING OVERHANG.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEY WON'T GET A LOT OF RAINFALL, IF ANY, UM, THAT THEY'D BE ADEQUATE, ADEQUATELY WATERED.

UM, LASTLY, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT WE DO STILL MEET, MEET THE MINIMUM COOL FACTOR SCORE OF ONE.

AND, UM, MAYBE IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, PETER, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH ELSE THAT HAS CHANGED ON THE PLANS.

BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, UM, SURE THERE'S THE ROOF DECK, WHICH I, I GUESS THIS ALSO HASN'T CHANGED.

UM, WE STILL INCLUDE A, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE GREEN ROOF OF 2,814 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH WILL BE NICE AND WRAP AROUND THAT AMENITY DECK AT THE, AT THIS LEVEL.

SO STILL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

AND, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALSO WRAPPING UP A FEW DETAILS, UM, REGARDING COOL FACTOR CALCULATIONS AND HOW THINGS ARE CALCULATED.

SO WE'LL BE MAKING A FEW TWEAKS AND UPDATES TO OUR DRAWINGS TO COM, MAKE SURE WE COMPLY PERFECTLY.

THANK YOU.

I ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT, UM, NOW THAT, NOW THAT YOU REMINDED ME, KATYA, THE UNDERSIDE OF THIS OVERHANG, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN, UM, IN A, THE LONGBOARD MATERIAL, WHICH HAS A WOOD LIGHT LOOK, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ALUMINUM, IT'S VERY COMMONLY USED IN HIGH QUALITY SOFFITS.

UM, SO THEY GIVE A NICE AESTHETIC TO, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, EXPERIENCE OF WALKING ALONG THAT EDGE.

UM, IF THAT'S, UH, OKAY FOR NOW, I I WOULD LIKE TO BRING ON OUR, UM, 3D MODEL THAT'S REQUESTED AND, UM, BUT IT'S AT THE PLEASURE OF A CHAIR.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SHARE, SHARE THE 3D MODEL.

EV EVERYBODY LIKES A MOVIE, OTHERWISE TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE WOULDN'T EXIST, RIGHT? SO, OKAY.

SO, UM, WE COULD MAKE, YY COULD COME FORWARD WITH HER SKETCHUP MODEL AND YYY, ACTUALLY, IT'D BE BEST, UH, IF YOU JUST RAN THROUGH THE, UH, MOVIES THAT YOU SET UP, UM, AS YOU KNOW, AND I THINK YOU SLOWED 'EM DOWN SO PEOPLE CAN TAKE THE, OKAY.

YEAH.

I'M GOING TO SHOW, THIS IS CHEN FROM OUR OFFICE.

UH, SHE'S DONE ALL THESE 3D MODELS, SO, OOPS, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO SHARE THREE VIDEOS.

THE FIRST ONE WILL BE NA VIEW OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND FOLLOW WITH TWO EYE LEVEL VIEWS FROM MASS AND MIN STREET.

THE FIRST ONE WILL BE A,

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WOULD ANYBODY LIKE ANY OF THAT REPEATED, UH, BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE? THAT GOOD? OKAY.

THE NEXT WILL BE EYE LEVEL ON MASS.

GO AHEAD AND INTO THE NEXT ONE.

OKAY.

FROM WEST LINEAN STREET EAST, LOAD IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

OH, GOING THROUGH A, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO A SPECIFIC LOCATION, I CAN, I CAN, UH, SHOW IT ON THE 3D MODEL.

IT'S THE SAME MODEL THAT USED TO CREATE THESE VIDEOS.

WELL, MAYBE, UH, THROUGH THE Q AND A THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, I, I FOUND THE MODELS VERY HELPFUL.

THANK YOU FOR, UH, BRINGING THAT TOOL TO THE PRESENTATION.

UH, IT'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF WHERE WE STAND AT THE MOMENT, SO THANK YOU.

BUT I THINK AT THE MOMENT, UNLESS, UH, THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT, UH, ANYBODY HAS FOR THE MODELER FROM THE PANEL, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE MODELER, NO.

SO LET'S MOVE ON.

THANK YOU.

UH, SURE.

YY, AND THANK YOU.

UH, PETER WOULD SURE.

I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IF I MAY, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING HAS A LOT OF SUBTLETIES OF SHADOW LINES AND LITTLE OFFSETS IN DEPTH AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE PLAYING WITH, UM, BLACK AND WHITE AND, UM, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THEM IN THAT 3D MODEL BETTER PROBABLY THAN MM-HMM .

THAN ANYTHING ELSE, UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY MOVED DYNAMICALLY.

BUT, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A KIND OF A NICE FEATURE OF THE WHOLE BUILDING.

ADDS A LOT OF CHARACTER.

YEAH.

OKAY.

OR ANY, ANY FURTHER, UH, COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE IN YOUR PRESENTATION, OR ARE YOU COMPLETE AT THIS POINT? UM, I THINK THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

TERRIFIC.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

UNDER THE WIRE AT 24 MINUTES.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT.

BUT WHO'S COUNTING EXACTLY, UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, IN THE HEARING, WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, ACCORDING TO THE ZONING, WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THESE DESIGN REVIEW SESSIONS.

AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND SPEAKER THIS, THAT THE BOARD'S ACTION IS NOT TO APPROVE OR DENY, UH, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BUT TO PROVIDE ADVISORY COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN AS HAS BEEN PRESENTED ABOUT TONIGHT AND MATERIALS IN SUPPORT OF THE SUBMISSION.

SO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK SHOULD NOW CLICK THE BUTTON THAT SAYS RAISE HAND.

IF YOU'RE CALLING IN BY PHONE, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND BY PRESSING STAR NINE AS OF 5:00 PM YESTERDAY, THE BOARD HAD RECEIVED NO WRITTEN COMMENTS FOR, UH, THIS PROJECT ON THE SECOND REVIEW, WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED AFTER 5:00 PM YESTERDAY, HOWEVER, WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

SO LET'S SEE IF

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IT DOESN'T APPEAR AT LEAST FROM MY DESKTOP THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY HANDS RAISED, BUT, UH, I'LL NOW ASK STAFF TO, UH, DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

ALRIGHT.

SEE, EVAN, ARE YOU SEEING ANYBODY? UH, NO, THERE ARE NO HANDS RAISED.

UM, SO I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO DOES WANNA SPEAK TO, TO USE THAT RAISE HAND FUNCTION, UM, NOW TO GET IN THE QUEUE.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S AMPLE TIME TO PRESS THE BUTTONS.

UM, IT APPEARS THAT, UH, QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.

A AFTER ALL THIS IS THE SECOND, UH, UH, VIEWING HERE.

AND THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS AND THE PRESENTATION HAVE BEEN VERY THOROUGH, SO I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT, UH, THERE AREN'T PARTICULAR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

SO AT THAT POINT, AT THIS POINT IN THE HEARING, UM, I THINK WE'LL MOVE FROM OUR SECTION ON PUBLIC COMMENT, SINCE NOBODY, UH, IS PARTICIPATING, AND THAT'S FINE.

UNDERSTANDABLE TO, UM, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT TEAM OR FOR STAFF, UH, FROM THE BOARD, UH, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD THAT, UH, HAS GOT, UH, OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED AT THIS POINT? MARY ECKER.

THANK YOU.

UM, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CONDENSERS ON THE ROOF.

UM, IT LOOKED LIKE IN THE DOCUMENTS YOU'RE IDENTIFYING KIND OF A ZONE THAT NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, IS REQUIRED, UM, UH, FOR MEETING, UM, THE, THE SUSTAINABILITY GOALS OR THE, THE, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS GOING IN THAT AREA WHERE YOU NO LONGER HAVE CONDENSERS? ARE YOU, DID YOU THINK ABOUT EXPANDING THE GREEN ROOF, OR RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST, UH, ADDITIONAL WHITE ROOF? ADAM, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? SURE.

WE WERE LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF SOLAR PANELS AND POTENTIALLY EXPAND THE GREEN ROOF.

UH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE AREA WE HAVE.

WE DO, WE, WE, WE HAVE BEEN STARTING TO LAY OUT ALL OF THE CONDENSERS NEEDED AND SOME OF THE LARGER CONDENSERS ARE GONNA NEED TO, TO BE SPACED OUT A LITTLE MORE.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CONDENSERS LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ELEVATOR HEADHOUSE THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THIS PLAN, BUT ARE GONNA BE ULTIMATELY REQUIRED, UM, TO BE LOCATED THERE JUST DUE TO THE LINE LENGTHS AND KIND TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THEIR CAPABILITY.

UM, SO I, I THINK THIS, SOME OF THIS WHITE SPACE WILL BE REDUCED.

WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY PLACING A, A HIGHER PLANTER ON THE CELL SIDE OF THE COMMON ROOF DECK.

IF, IF THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE, UM, WE, WE BELIEVE WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOF, UH, LOADING CAPACITY TO, TO HANDLE THAT.

WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY LOCATING A PERGOLA ON THE COMMON ROOF DECK AS WELL THAT WE JUST STARTED THINKING ABOUT, UM, BUT HAVEN'T DESIGNED AT THIS STAGE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT AT ONE TIME THAT FROM THE STAFF ABOUT MAKING THE ROOF DECK LARGER AND WE, UH, WE ARE LIMITED TO, UM, THE SIZE OR SMALLER, UH, OTHERWISE IT WOULD, IT WOULD BECOME A, A SEVENTH STORY FROM A BUILDING CODE POINT OF VIEW.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

UH, WE'LL MOVE TO DIEGO.

UH, I HAVE, UH, THREE QUESTIONS.

MM-HMM .

UM, ONE IS THE COLOR OF THE PENTHOUSE.

I WONDER IF THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT TO BE MATCHED LIKE WITH THE WHITE OR IF THE GRAY THAT, THAT I'M SEEING IN SOME OF THE RENDERINGS IS SORT OF THE FINAL COLOR FOR THAT.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, I THINK I HEARD THAT THE BIKE RACKS ON LINEAN STREET ARE, MIGHT MOVE TO BE MORE ON THE SIDEWALK OR, UH, MORE LIKE AN URBAN APPROACH TO THAT.

AND IF, IF THAT'S SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD REPLACE THAT SPACE? UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, IT WAS, I MEAN, I WAS REALLY INTERESTED TO, TO LEARN ABOUT THE FATHER OF BOTANY ON, YOU KNOW, THE NAME BEING LINEAN.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

IT'S PRETTY COOL ACTUALLY.

UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY AWESOME TO TIE THAT TO THE MURAL.

AND I WAS CURIOUS, 'CAUSE I'VE, UM, UH, I WAS PRETTY, UH, I'M PRETTY INTERESTED IN IT.

I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT.

UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF SORT OF THE DEVELOP AS THAT GETS DEVELOPED, IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANY LIKE, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK OR IS THERE GONNA BE A, LIKE AN R BOARD OR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE COLLABORATING WITH THAT? UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

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THANK YOU.

START WITH YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD, ADAM.

YEAH, SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT FINALIZING THESE COLORS YET.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE.

UM, BUT WE'RE TREATING THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN BODY OF THE, OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE, UM, IN THE SAME MANNER AT THIS POINT AS THE SAME MANNER THAT WE'RE TREATING THE REST OF THE BUILDING.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE SAME KIND OF SIDING UP THERE.

IT'S JUST THE ELEVATOR PART WHICH POPS UP, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY BEHIND, ABOVE IT.

WE, WE WOULD PROBABLY DO THAT IN A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, GRAYED OUT PANEL.

YOU DON'T ACTUALLY SEE A LOT OF IT FROM THE SCREEN, AS I SAID BEFORE.

SO WE WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT THE BUILDING TO BE WHITE.

WE WANT, IT'S, IT'S INTENDED TO BE MORE OF A CREAM COLOR AND SOME OF THESE RENDERINGS, IT APPEARS, UH, RATHER WHITE.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY JUST WORKING WITH OUR, THE MANUFACTURER OF THE MATERIAL.

THEY'RE OPENING A, A NEW PLANT IN, UH, THE US AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF COLORS AVAILABLE.

UH, AND, AND WE'RE WAITING, UH, WE'RE WAITING TO RECEIVE THOSE, THAT COLOR CHART SO WE CAN MAKE FINAL SELECTIONS AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT IN COORDINATION, UH, WITH CDD ONCE THAT CHART'S AVAILABLE.

IF WE WANNA DISCUSS THE, THE SIDEWALK OR THE BIKE PLACEMENT ON THE SIDEWALK.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOCATED, I THINK, VERY CLOSE TO THE, THE BIKES, THE SHORT TERM BIKE SPACE ARE LOCATED QUITE CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, ON LINEAN STREET OR, YEAH.

OR MASSIVE.

OKAY.

SO ON LINEAN STREET WE HAVE BIKE RACKS.

RIGHT.

ARE THOSE GONNA STAY THERE OR THOSE GONNA, THOSE, THOSE WILL, THOSE WILL LIKELY STAY THERE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THOSE BIKE RACKS? YES.

AND THEN THE GOAL IS TO INTRODUCE A, A BLUE BIKE STATION IN BETWEEN THE, THE STREET TREES ON THE SIDE, ON THE SIDEWALK, UM, ON LE STREET.

YEAH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OVER NEAR THIS AREA, I THINK, BUT BETWEEN THE EXISTING LIGHT POST AND THEN POTENTIALLY MOVING THAT, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE A, UH, I THINK THERE'S A, A NEW METHOD OF BREAKING UP THE BLUE BIKE STATIONS IN A TWO SECTIONS.

SO THERE COULD BE ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE TREE.

WELL, OH, I SEE.

ONE IN BETWEEN THE PO, THE LIGHT POST AND THE TREE.

WELL, AND ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE TREE.

WELL, AND THESE ARE THE, UH, SHORT TERM BITE SPOTS IN ENTRY.

I AM SORRY, THE FINAL QUESTION I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO WRITE DOWN.

YEAH, I WOULD, I'LL REPEAT IT.

I WAS, UM, CURIOUS ON THE PROCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT MURAL.

THAT'S, UM, BY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FLOWERS AND SURE.

YEAH.

UH, SO THE, THE SIDING, THE MANUFACTURER OF THE SIDING WILL ACTUALLY, UH, PRINT THAT DIRECTLY ON THE, ON THE MATERIAL IN THE FACTORY.

AND THEN THEY NUMBER IT, SO IT'S INSTALLED, UH, AND, AND IT GOES TO THE SAME KIND OF PRINTING PROCESS AS THE COLOR.

SO IT'S VERY LONG LASTING.

DOESN'T NEED TO BE RE REPAINTED.

UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN A COUPLE YEARS IF IT FADE, IT'S NOT GONNA FADE, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

UH, AND, AND THAT'S A, IT'S A TWIN FLOWER, WHICH I BELIEVE THE, THE LATIN TERM IS, UH, LAN BOREALIS BECAUSE IT WAS CARL LAN'S FAVORITE FLOWER, AND HE NAMED IT AFTER HIMSELF, I BELIEVE.

AND, UH, IS THAT THE FINAL, UH, DESIGN FOR THAT MURAL, OR IS IT GONNA BE A PROCESS? NO.

OKAY.

UM, NOT THE FINAL DESIGN.

IT'S REALLY JUST THE DESIGN WE CAME UP WITH AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, FEEDBACK.

ANY COMMENTS THAT, THAT ANY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD COMMUNITY CDD MAY HAVE? THANK YOU.

JUST ON THAT NOTE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, BUT AT THE OTHER END OF LINEAN STREET WAS THE ORIGINAL HARVARD BOTANICAL GARDEN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS NAMED LINEAN STREET AS WELL.

MM-HMM .

COOL.

UH, DAN, DAN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP NEXT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, ONE IS KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE, UM, UH, THE ROOFSCAPE, UM, HAS, SO HAVE YOU ENGAGED MECHANICAL ENGINEERING ON THIS PROJECT, OR IS THIS STILL, UM, CONCEPTUAL NOW? WE'VE ENGAGED MECHANICAL ENGINEERING AND, AND REALLY BEEN DIVING INTO THAT PROCESS OF LOCATING ALL THE CONDENSERS AND, AND WE HAVE A, A CONDENSER LAYOUT NOW THAT'S MORE ADVANCED THAN WHAT'S SHOWN IN THIS PLAN.

OKAY.

UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UH, THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL, WHICH IS THE, UM, THE ERV SYSTEM, IS IT A CENTRALIZED SYSTEM OR ARE EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT GETTING ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL ERV? IT'S A UNITARY SYSTEM THERE.

SO THERE IS A CENTRALIZED SYSTEM FOR THE COMMON AREAS.

OKAY.

THAT'S LOCATED, UH, KIND OF IN BETWEEN THIS, THIS ROOF DECK PASSAGEWAY AND THE, THE CONDENSERS SHOWN ON THE EASTERNMOST SIDE.

SO THERE'S A, A LARGE, UH, CENTRALIZED DOAS SYSTEM

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THAT SERVES ALL THE, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WEST OF THE ELEVATOR HEADHOUSE.

RIGHT.

UM, AND THAT'LL SERVE THE DOWN TO THE BASEMENT SPACE, ALL THE COMMON AREA, THE FIRST FLOOR, COMMON AREA, AND THEN ALL THE COMMON, UH, HALLWAYS AND, AND CORRIDORS.

AND THEN THERE ARE UNITARY SYSTEMS FOR ALL THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

OKAY.

THANKS.

BECAUSE THERE WAS A, A PIECE IN THE STAFF MEMO ABOUT TRYING TO, UH, MINIMIZE THE, UM, UH, EXTERIOR FACADE, UM, VENTS YES.

IF POSSIBLE.

AND SO, AND THERE'S A STRONG TRADE OFF THERE.

SO, UM, GLAD, GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH THE MEP AND PROBABLY ADDRESSING THOSE.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION GOES BACK, I THINK, UH, TO CLADDING, THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION, UM, MAYBE PRESUPPOSES AN OPINION, BUT, UM, IN LOOKING AT COLORS, DID YOU CONSIDER AT ALL IN THE RENDERINGS AS TO, UM, CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE SIXTH FLOOR? UM, YOU HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, UM, SIZES AND, AND TEXTURE TO THE CLADDING, BUT, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, WHERE YOUR, YOUR COLOR SELECTION HAS TAKEN YOU.

I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE WAITING ON THE, UH, UM, MANUFACTURER TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE BREAKOUT, BUT, UM, IT, IT BECAME A LITTLE BIT MORE, EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED TO ME IN, IN THE, UH, 3D RENDERING, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, SIX STORY, UM, MAKES, MAKES THE BUILDING FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE BOXY.

AND I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHETHER YOU'VE DONE ADDITIONAL COLOR, POTENTIAL COLOR STUDIES, UM, IN THAT AREA.

WE'VE STARTED TO LOOK AT IT.

WE HA WE HAVEN'T DONE A ROBUST COLOR STUDY, IS THE, THE HONEST ANSWER.

WE, WE, WE'VE STARTED GATHERING MATERIALS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL MATERIALS YET, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, BUT WE, WE WERE OPEN TO HAVING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT HUE ON THE, ON THE SIXTH FLOOR.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO A, A COMPLETELY CONTRASTING COLOR, BUT, BUT POTENTIALLY SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THE MAIN BODY.

AND UNTIL WE HAVE THE COLORS, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, DIFFICULT TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT TEXTURES AS WELL.

WE, WE HAVE THESE VERTICAL THAT HAS A NICE, REALLY TEXTURE ON IT.

AND THEN ON THE, THE SIXTH FLOOR, IT'S MORE OF A HORIZONTAL FLAT PANEL THAT REPEATS ON THE, THE PROJECTIONS IS ALSO NO MUCH, MUCH APPRECIATED.

UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW.

I, I MAY HAVE LIKELY HAVE COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.

THANK YOU.

UM, UH, ASHLEY, YOU'RE NEXT.

UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS FOR THE STAFF AND ONE IS FOR THE PROJECT TEAM AND FOR THE STAFF.

IT'S JUST, UM, I KNOW THIS IS OUR FIRST NON A HO, UM, PROJECT OF THIS PROCESS.

CAN YOU REMIND ME, UM, SHOULD WE ALSO BE EXPECTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME MATERIALS OR MOCK UP ONCE THOSE HAVE BEEN SELECTED OR NOT? AND THEN, UH, FOR THE PROJECT TEAM, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS WAS DISCUSSED LAST TIME, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.

BUT, UM, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY AS TO WHY THE SOUTH, SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE SEE HERE, UM, ON THIS GROUND FLOOR IN A SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR ON A CORNER, IS THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, NO WINDOWS OR A TRANSPARENCY.

CAN YOU, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

IT WAS LIKE AN A BUTTER ISSUE OR, UM, SAFETY ISSUE.

THANK YOU.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S CAN'T HAVE WINDOWS.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE SURFACES RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.

THIS TOWN, YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

OKAY.

AND ARE, ARE, WILL WE SEE, UH, A MOCKUP OR SOME MATERIALS THAT WILL, THAT BE SHARED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE USED TO ON LARGER PROJECTS? STAFF MAYBE COULD ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? SURE.

I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, TO JUMP IN ON THAT AND, AND OTHER COLLEAGUES MAYBE CAN, CAN FILL IN THE GAPS IF I, UH, MISSPEAK OR, OR, UH, MISS ANYTHING.

UM, I THINK BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A SPECIAL PERMIT PROJECT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REQUIRE THE, THE APPLICANT, UM, THE DEVELOPER HERE TO, TO PROVIDE THOSE MATERIALS.

WE CERTAINLY HAVE DONE THIS FOR, FOR A HO PROJECTS.

THE, THE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS HAVE, UM, HAVE PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES FOR PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS TO, TO REVIEW THOSE MATERIALS.

SO THAT COULD BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, REQUIRE THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU EVAN.

UM, MARY, BEEN PATIENT, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, I JUST, I WOULD JUST LIKE, UM, A LITTLE, UH, MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE IN THE STAFF MEMO ABOUT THE DIFFERENTIATING THE, THE TWO FACADES, THE MASS A FACADE VERSUS

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LINEAN STREET.

UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S, I, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT IS STILL IN THE, IN THE STAFF MEMO, SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE STAFF FEELS LIKE FURTHER, UM, CHANGES COULD BE MADE.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO, UM, WHAT THE PROJECT TEAM'S THINKING IS, UM, IN REGARD TO THAT.

AND ALSO TO THE, UM, THE ARTICULATION OF THE, OF THE TOP, TOP FLOOR.

UM, I AM HAPPY TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A PERGOLA AND IT, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU COULD SEE MORE GREENERY OR WHATEVER AT THAT TOP LEVEL WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL EVEN IF YOU CAN'T MAKE OTHER CHANGES TO THE, UM, TO THE ROOFTOP.

BUT ANYWAY, YOUR THOUGHTS ON, ON WHERE YOU ARE ON LINEN VERSUS MASS AVE FACADES? YEAH.

UM, PETER, PETER QUINN HERE.

UM, SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE HAS TO HOLD TOGETHER AND I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE FELT LIKE WE HAVE THE VOCABULARY TO CHANGE THE SCALE AS WE GET CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL END OF, UM, THE BUILDING AND THE, YOU KNOW, OF ON, ON THE LINEAN STREET MM-HMM .

UM, WE JUST NEED TO IMPLEMENT IT.

AND, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE LIKE A WHOLESALE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUILDING APPROACH, UM, CHANGING COLORS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT KINDS OF TRIM AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

IT'S JUST, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH BUILDING THERE TO DO THAT.

AND IT MAY NOT BE CONVINCING.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS A MORE SUBTLE APPROACH THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.

UM, WE ALSO THINK THE MASSING IS WORKING WITH US WHEN, WITH THESE STEP BACKS.

UM, AND THE STEP BACKS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, START AT THE EDGE OF THIS BAY PROJECTION HERE.

SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE HERE, ANOTHER ONE HERE, AND THEY STEP BACK VERTICALLY THIS WAY.

SO AS I, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A, SOMETHING, I WOULD JUST PUT IT FORWARD AS A, AS A SUBTLE APPROACH.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING THAT IT WORKS.

UM, I DO HAVE A SORT OF A COMPOSITE STREET VIEW THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL.

JUST TAKING A SECOND TO BRING IT UP.

'CAUSE IT WAS IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL.

MM-HMM .

HANG ON A SEC.

UM, THAT'S THAT CONTEXTUAL SET.

YEAH.

SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SCALE OF A BUILDING, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH BIGGER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE PLENTY OF FOUR AND FIVE STORY BUILDINGS RIGHT AROUND.

AND EVEN ON LANNAN STREET THERE'S A NUMBER OF FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.

YEAH.

FOUR AND A HALF.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS MASSING DOWN TO FOUR STORIES AND THEN TO PUT IN IT WINDOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, SEEM TO BE OF SCALE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT.

NOW WE DID NOT RENDER THESE OTHER BUILDINGS HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE THEY'RE GENEROUS, VICTORIAN KIND OF WINDOWS MM-HMM .

UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE HOW WE STARTED WITH THIS WAS TO, YOU KNOW, KINDA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THIS BOX, UH, AS A, AS A KIND OF MASSING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE STEP UP TO OURS AND THEN STEP UP FURTHER.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ALIGNMENTS ARE WHAT THEY ARE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, SO OBVIOUSLY OUR SECOND FLOOR IS GONNA BE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE SECOND FLOOR OF THESE BUILDINGS, BUT, RIGHT.

UM, YEAH.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, TOOK, TOOK THE APPROACH SUBTLER.

OKAY.

AND ANY, ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT WAYS TO, UM, UH, ARTICULATE THAT TOP, TOP LEVEL MORE? I KNOW YOU SAID POTENTIALLY LOOK AT A DIFFERENT COLOR, BUT, YOU KNOW, RATHER ANYTHING TO SORT OF ELIMINATE, ELIMINATE OR IMPROVE UPON THE YEAH.

UM, THE BOXY LOOK.

YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, COLORATION AND, UH, TEXTURE.

UM, AS ADAM SAID, UM, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE A, UM, A DIFFERENT MATERIAL BETWEEN LOWER AND UPPER.

I DUNNO IF YOU SAW THAT IN THIS MODEL WHERE I JUST BLEW IT UP.

BUT, UM, THIS IS, OH YEAH, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS HAS GOT THIS VERTICAL MATERIAL.

SO EVEN IF, I MEAN, YOU CAN IMAGINE EVEN IF THEY WERE THE SAME COLOR, THEY WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE WAY, BECAUSE OF THE GREEN AND THE MATERIAL BEING DIFFERENT.

MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, SO, UM, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT TO STUDY HERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA DO A MOCKUP, UM, OURSELVES IF, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR PUBLIC VIEWING, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.

YEAH.

GREAT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, SURE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION, UM, AND IT ACTUALLY RELATED, RELATES TO THE MURAL.

YOU GOT MY ATTENTION

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AND, UM, UM, IT, IT, IT'S MORE OF A, I GUESS A SUGGESTION.

I, I KNOW OF TWO BOTANICAL MURALS AND THERE'S ONE, I BELIEVE IT'S ON SYDNEY STREET, IT'S NEAR SYDNEY AND ERIE STREET.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BUILDING.

IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, BUT IT'S GOT FLOWERS PAINTED ON IT.

BUT THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT, AND THIS IS WHY IT RELATES TO, UH, IAN STREET, IS THAT, UM, THEY ACTUALLY, UH, SHOW A LINE AND THEN SHOW WHAT THE ROOT STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO IT LOOKS BOTANICAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S SCIENCE, IT'S SOME KIND OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH BUILDING, BUT IT'S GOT ALL OF THESE, UH, PLANT SPECIMENS AND THEY LOOK LIKE SPECIMENS.

'CAUSE THEY AREN'T JUST RENDERINGS OF FLOWERS.

THEY ACTUALLY SHOW THE ROOTS.

AND IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF COOL.

'CAUSE SUDDENLY IT BECOMES LIKE BOTANY RATHER THAN YEAH.

FLOWERS.

SO, UH, I I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU TO, UM, POTENTIALLY HAVE A QUICK LOOK AT THAT, PETER MM-HMM .

AND, AND, UH, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO THANK ADAM TO SEE WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED HERE, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT LOOK MORE BOTANICAL.

UH, I, I KNOW THIS IS JUST AN, A PLACEHOLDER AND IDEA, AND I THINK IT'S A LOVELY IDEA THAT IT LOCKS THIS BUILDING INTO THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, INTO A PIECE OF CAMBRIDGE HISTORY.

IT GIVES IT A SENSE OF PLACE.

AND, AND SO IT CAPTURED MY IMAGINATION.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS JUST BUILDING ON ASHLEY'S OBSERVATION ABOUT THE, THE PANELS, THE BLANK PANEL.

AND I WAS PARTICULARLY STRUCK IN YOUR, THE, UH, VIEW FROM 500 FEET DOWN MASS AVE.

UH, THREE DA 0.11, UM, SHOWS THAT HOW PROMINENT THAT PANEL IS NOW, I KNOW THERE'S A ZERO LOT LINE THERE, BUT, UM, THAT TO ME LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER PLACE WHERE YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING ON IT.

NOW IT'S ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY LINE, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT A BIG GIANT FLOWER AND BRIGHT COLORS ON IT.

AND THIS LEADS ME TO ANOTHER SUGGESTION FOR A FIELD TRIP FOR YOU.

I KNOW OF ANOTHER BOTANICAL MURAL, WHICH IS INSIDE, UH, IT'S AT THE END OF, AT BRIGHAM AND WOMEN'S HOSPITAL, AT THE END OF WHAT THEY CALL THE PIKE IN THE HAIL BUILDING, THERE'S A LOBBY, A, UH, SPACE AT CAFETERIA IN A LOBBY, AND THERE'S A BLANK BIG BLANK WALL THERE.

THEY, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY PAINTED THE, AS IF THERE WAS SHADOWS OF A TREE CAST ONTO THE WALL, IT'S UNCANNY.

YOU GO IN THERE, IT'S LIKE, OH, THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

AND THEN YOU REALIZE, WELL, IT'S FEBRUARY.

THERE'S NO LEAVES ON THE TREES OUTSIDE.

BUT THERE'S THIS VERY SUBTLE LOOK NOW IN YOUR RENDERINGS.

EVERY TIME, UH, YOUR ASSISTANT SHOWED HER VIDEO, THE TREES ARE RENDERED IN THIS VERY LIGHT WAY.

CORRECT, YEAH.

AND THEY PROJECT ONTO THE BUILDING, RIGHT? YEAH.

SOFTEN THE BUILDING.

IT'S A WONDERFUL RENDERING TECHNIQUE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT VERY SUBTLE, BEAUTIFUL, ARTISTIC SORT OF BOTANICAL RENDERING.

SO CHECK THAT OUT.

I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE OF A PLACEMAKER IN THAT PA IN THAT CANVAS THAT SITS THERE.

I AGREE WITH ASHLEY.

THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, UNFORTUNATE THE WAY YOU SEE THAT AND IT PRESENTS AT 90 DEGREES THE AVENUE.

IT'S VERY, VERY PROMINENT AND IT'S BLANK AND THAT'S TOO BAD.

SO IT IS, YOU'RE THINKING OF IT SORT OF AS A CANVAS THAT NEEDS A PAINTING.

YEAH.

A SUBTLE ONE.

YEAH.

BUT SU YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I, SO ANYWAY, THIS IS VERGING PROBABLY I'M JUMPING INTO THE NEXT SECTION OF THE, OF OUR HEARING, WHICH IS COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION.

BUT RATHER THAN A QUESTION, IT'S A FRIENDLY SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE YOU MAKE A COUPLE OF FIELD TRIPS TO INFORM YOUR, UH, GRAPHIC DESIGN ON THE BUILDING, WHICH I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT PROCESS.

OKAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, YEAH, THE CHAIR MISBEHAVING HERE, JUMPING TO COMMENTS BEFORE, UH, WE FINISH THE QUESTIONS, BUT I SEE THE, I THINK THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS ARE EXHAUSTED.

SO WE WILL NOW MOVE AND I'LL TAKE MY PROPER POSITION AT THE END OF THIS.

UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO A COMMENTS DISCUSSION FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON THE PROPOSAL AS IT SITS BEFORE US TONIGHT.

SO WHO WANTS TO START? MARY, I'M GONNA JUMP RIGHT IN AND GIVE YOU MORE FIELD TRIP IDEAS.

, UM, THE OTHER REALLY BEAUTIFUL BOTANICAL MURAL IN CITY OF CAMBRIDGE IS IN THE, THE ANNEX BY MIKE GLEER.

UM, IF YOU GO IN THE LOBBY AND THEN IN THE, YEAH, THE ROOM WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE WELL FROM MEETING WITH THE CITY, UM, AND I THINK MAYBE PART OF WHAT EVERYONE IS HEDGING AROUND IS, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE AMAZING IF YOU ENGAGED A GRAPHIC IS, AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE BY MIKE GLEER IS LESS STRICTLY BOTANICAL, IF YOU WILL.

RIGHT.

BUT IT, UM, IT'S SO GESTURAL AND, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST BEAUTIFUL IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO LAYER THAT ON.

FELT LIKE I COULD ROLL RIGHT IN.

AND I THINK ALSO LAYERING ON THAT, IT WAS REALLY THE SOUTH FACADE, UM, THAT AREA BOTH ON THE CORNER THAT'S RIGHT ON MASS AVE, BUT ALSO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT'S FACING THE NEIGHBORS THAT STRUCK ME AS THE MOST BLANK WALL.

SO I ACTUALLY WORRY A LOT ABOUT THAT SOUTHWEST

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CORNER THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS NEXT DOOR, UM, IN THOSE, YOU KNOW, MULTI, YOU KNOW, SMALLER HOUSES, UM, THAT IT'S QUITE A BLANK ADDRESS OR, UM, APPROACH THAT SIDE.

SO I THINK CONTINUING, UM, TO LOOK AT THOSE, THE WHOLE SOUTH FACADE BASICALLY, UM, FOR ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO, UM, ENLIVEN IT, UM, BUT NOT TOO MUCH IF IT'S ON THE LOT LINE.

NO TOO BRIGHT COLORS.

UM, I THINK ALSO LAYERING TO EVERYONE ELSE, UM, THE COLOR RIGHT NOW IS STRIKING AS VERY CONTRASTING.

AND I WAS, I WAS KINDA LOOKING AT OTHER BUILDINGS UP AND DOWN MASS AVE THIS WEEK, AND I NOTICED THAT A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE WHITES AND GRAYS ARE USED, THERE IS STILL SOME BRICK OR SOME RED.

AND I'M NOT NEC I'M NOT ACTUALLY NECESSARILY RECOMMENDING THAT.

BUT I DO THINK, UM, IF AND WHEN YOU DO ANY MOCKUPS, I THINK EVEN FROM CURIOSITY, I THINK I WOULD, WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO SEE THAT.

'CAUSE WE'RE OFTEN TALKING AND THINKING ABOUT, UM, UH, THE COLORS.

UH, I COULD IMAGINE THAT HAVING THIS MORE KIND OF MONO, UM, MONOCHROMATIC OR NON-COLORED VERSION MIGHT ACTUALLY PLAY REALLY WELL WITH L LESLIE BUILDINGS DOWN THE STREET THAT KIND OF LEND THEMSELVES THAT WAY.

UM, SO JUST A CURIOSITY ABOUT HOW THOSE, UM, WILL ALL PLAY TOGETHER.

UM, UM, NOSTALGICALLY, I'M GONNA KIND OF MISS THE, THE WALGREENS CORRUGATED GREEN.

I KIND OF SECRETLY LOVE THAT .

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HOM DO AN HOMAGE TO THAT, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO, TO THINK THROUGH THAT ONE.

UM, I, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE GREEN ROOF.

I LOVE TO HEAR THAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT EITHER PERGOLA OR PLANTERS, SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE, UM, DECK NOT NECESSARILY GET BIGGER, BUT JUST FEEL A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE ENCLOSED BECAUSE IT, IT'LL BE WITH THAT KIND OF A GREEN ROOF AND THE CONDENSERS QUITE OPEN.

UM, SO I THINK CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THAT WILL MAKE IT CERTAINLY MORE USED AND WELCOMING AND INVITING FOR FOLKS.

UM, AND THEN, UH, FENCES, UM, I THINK ABOUT THIS A LOT BECAUSE OFTEN WE HAVE THESE VERY URBAN LARGE BUILDINGS AND THEN THE FENCES, UM, THAT WE SEE FOR THE PROJECTS.

AND THEY'RE ON LOT, YOU KNOW, AGAINST LOTS AND THAT MIGHT WANT SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE MORE RESIDENTIAL, IF YOU WILL, BUT THEY JUST STRIKE ME AS THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE BUILDING.

THEY DON'T FEEL THEY'RE WOOD FENCES THAT DON'T FEEL, FEEL URBAN.

YOU'RE DOING ALL THOSE PICKETS ALONG THE BALCONIES.

AND I FEEL LIKE THE FENCE SHOULD FEEL LIKE IT'S THE SAME HIGH QUALITY INVESTMENT THAT THE BUILDING IS GETTING, AGAIN, IS REALLY A GESTURE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT.

UM, ONE SIDE OF IT I THINK IS THE OPAQUE SIX FOOT, ANOTHER SIDE'S KIND OF THE OPEN, IT TRANSITIONS TO THE OPEN FOREFOOT, BUT IT REALLY STRIKES ME AS THOUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR BUILT THOSE, NOT A DEVELOPER.

UM, AND SO I WOULD GIVE THOSE ATTENTION JUST IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE PLANTING THAT YOU'VE ADDED, WHICH IS NICE ALONG THOSE EDGES TO AGAIN, BE KIND OF GESTURE TOWARDS THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE.

UM, IT DID LOOK LIKE YOU WERE STARTING TO GET SOME MORE PLANTING AROUND THE BASE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, AND I THINK THE STREET LIFE ONES YOU WERE PICKING KATYA WITH THE, THE BENCHES FELT LIKE A, A NICE GESTURE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, UM, TO BE THERE IN THE SPACE.

THE ONE AT THE CORNERS KIND OF BUGGING ME A LITTLE BIT IS THAT THAT ONE LOOKED LIKE IT'S MORE CUSTOM BUILT.

I WAS WONDERING IF ONE OF THE STREET LIFE CIRCULAR ONES MIGHT, UM, FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE WELCOMING OR AGAIN, HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THOSE HAVE THE, THE BUILT IN SEATING AS WELL.

SO MAYBE JUST LOOKING AT THAT ONE AT THE CORNER, UM, TO MAKE SURE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ALL COHESIVE WITH THE OTHER PIECES YOU HAVE.

UM, BUT OVERALL, APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION TO THE COMMENTS FROM LAST TIME AND, UM, GREAT TO SEE THE PROGRESS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MARY.

UH, DIEGO, YOU'RE NEXT.

UH, YEAH, SO THIS, I THINK THIS PROJECT HAS REALLY GROWN ON ME.

UM, I'M REALLY DIGGING A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE AND I FEEL LIKE THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE, UM, SORT OF ADOPTED ONTO YOUR DESIGN HAS BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL.

UM, A BIG FAN OF THE CARGO BIKE ELEVATORS.

UM, I THINK, I THINK THE ROOF, THE ROOF IS GONNA BE AWESOME FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS.

UM, I THINK ALSO THE PUBLIC FACING ASPECTS OF IT, LIKE THE MURAL, I THINK IS GONNA BE A GREAT ADDITION.

UM, HOPEFULLY THAT THAT SURVIVED AND IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT, UM, DESIGN.

UH, I'LL SECOND WHAT TOM AND MARY SUGGESTED, WHICH IS USING, YOU KNOW, UH, COLLABORATIONS WITH ARTISTS OR, YOU KNOW, REFERENCES TO BOTANICAL.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AGAIN, THE HARTFORD BOTANICAL GARDENS A REALLY INTERESTING HISTORICAL FACT, AND I THINK THAT GIVES THIS BUILDING A SENSE OF PLACE AND BELONGING.

UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M, I, I MIGHT BE IN A MINORITY HERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE MASSING.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY THE 3D VIEWS THAT YOU SHOWED.

I THINK THAT THE STEP BACK THAT YOU DID ON LE LE IAN STREET, UH, IS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.

I THINK, UH, YOU'RE KIND OF LIMITED TO GET AS MANY UNITS AS POSSIBLE ON THERE.

UM, AND I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE THE SORT OF STREET LEVEL DETAILS THAT YOU'VE ADDED.

I

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THINK THE SHADOW BOXES REALLY MAKE THAT, UM, RESIDENTIAL ELEVATION A LITTLE BIT CLEARER.

THERE'S THAT, UM, SORT OF LINE THAT SUGGESTS IT'S JUST LIKE A ONE ELEMENT, AND IT'S NICE.

I THINK THE PREVIOUS TIME WE SAW THIS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT BROKEN, BUT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUGGLING OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIALS BECOME A MUCH MORE COHESIVE DESIGN.

AND, UH, YEAH.

THANK YOU.

LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT.

THANK YOU, DIEGO.

UH, DAN, YOU'RE NEXT.

UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO, UH, EXCUSE ME, JUST A, A FEW COMMENTS.

ONE THAT I HAD ALLUDED TO, AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER OF MASSING, UH, DIEGO, I, I LIKE THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.

I THINK THE LIKE COLOR STUDY, AS YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT OF THAT SIXTH ATTIC FLOOR, UM, WOULD HELP REINFORCE THAT FOUR STORY BANDING AND, UH, I THINK MAKE THE BUILDING READ MORE, UM, SINCE THERE REALLY ISN'T ROOM FOR A STEP BACK.

UM, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S A SUGGESTION THAT I THINK, UM, YOU GUYS WILL TAKE A LOOK AT AND, UM, DON'T NEED TO BELABOR IT.

UM, UH, LIKE TOM, I THINK THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY AT THAT SOUTH, UM, EAST CORNER, UM, REALLY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.

UM, THAT UPPER BALCONY, UM, THAT, THAT SOUTH ELEVATION.

UH, I WAS JUST LOOKING BACK AT THE PLANS AND, UM, HOPING THAT THERE WERE MORE, UM, RESIDENTIAL WINDOWS IN THAT WEST CORNER.

UM, SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE WINDOWS IN THE PLAN, SO MAYBE THAT HASN'T QUITE ADVANCED TO THE, THAT LEVEL.

UM, BUT REALLY, UM, I THINK, UM, EVEN LOOKING AT THE WEST ELEVATION, UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT, UM, KIND OF NORTH ELEVATION AND RESIDENTIAL WINDOW TREATMENT WRAPAROUND TO THE WEST, RATHER THAN CONTINUING THAT KIND OF MAJOR VERTICAL BANDING.

UH, I THINK, PETER, THAT THAT, UH, THE SENSITIVITY THAT YOU'RE SHOWING TO LINEAN, UM, REALLY CAN WRAP AROUND TO THAT FACE THAT'S NEIGHBORHOOD FACING, UH, AND NOT NECESSARILY BE THE SAME VERTICAL LANGUAGE.

UM, THAT'S THE PUBLIC STREET FRONT ON, ON MASS AVE AND THE, THE NAME.

UM, AND, UH, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME ADDITIONAL WINDOWS TO THE SOUTH FOR THOSE UNITS.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S JUST, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP FLOOR PLAN, WHICH HAS THAT ONE WINDOW.

BUT, UM, POTENTIALLY SINCE YOU'RE BACK AT FIVE FEET, YOU MAY BE LIMITED BY THE 25%.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT, UM, WHAT IS DRIVING, UH, UM, THE WINDOW PLACEMENT THERE ON THE SOUTH TO THE WEST.

SO THERE'S YOUR WEST ELEVATION, THERE'S YOUR MAJOR VERTICALS.

UM, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WRAP THE MORE PUNCH WINDOW RESIDENTIAL FIELD THAT YOU HAVE ON THE BALCONIES AND WRAP THAT BACK TO THE WEST SIDE, UM, THAT, THAT MAY HELP IT FEEL MORE THREE DIMENSIONAL AND LESS FACADE TO FACADE.

UM, AGAIN, YEAH, TAKE, TAKE THAT AS A, UM, AS A SUGGESTION AND A, AND A COMMENT.

UM, BUT THEN I GUESS AS YOU WRAP AGAIN, UM, FROM THE WEST TO THE SOUTH, UM, THE CURRENT ELEVATION SHOW, UH, NO WINDOWS, UH, WHERE MARY HAD POINTED THAT OUT, UM, THERE ARE SOME WINDOWS SHOWN IN PLAN.

AGAIN, YOU MAY BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE LIMITED ON THE, UH, PERCENT OF GLAZING OPENING PER FLOOR, UH, BUT MAYBE THOSE WINDOWS COULD BE, UM, UH, SOME SINGULAR WINDOWS, UM, THAT MIGHT HELP, UM, THAT FACADE AS WELL.

AGAIN, IT'S, IT IS TUCKED BACK, BUT IT IS RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD FACING.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

YEAH.

WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THESE PERCENTAGES AS WE GET DATA FROM OUR WINDOW MANUFACTURER.

UNDERSTOOD.

I BELIEVE WE UNDERSTOOD, I BELIEVE WE TOOK THE, UH, THE, THE WINDOW SIZING THERE AND ADDED IT TO THE STUDIO UNITS TO MAKE THOSE WINDOWS LARGER.

AND NOW WE'RE STILL MAXED OUTTA THE 25%.

I I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AT THE MAXIMUM RIGHT NOW OF WHAT, WHAT'S ALLOWED.

YEAH.

UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH IN THAT, UH, EVEN IF YOU'RE BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN FIVE, YOU GOTTA GET TO 10 FEET BEFORE YOU CAN REALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.

CORRECT.

THE, THE LAST PIECE, UM, REALLY JUST AT THE GROUND LEVEL, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE WRAPPING SOME BRICK BACK THERE.

UM, THAT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S PARKING ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

YES.

UM, UM, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT SHOULD ALL BE BRICK, BUT MAYBE, UM, A DIFFERENT CLADDING MATERIAL RATHER THAN THE SAME AS THE, UM, UM, THE DECK ABOVE THE, UM, CORNER RETAIL.

UM, THERE'S SOMETHING JUST A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T KNOW, AS A VERY MINOR COMMENT, UM, ON THAT, THAT CHOICE OF, OF, OF BREAKING UP THE MATERIALS THAT WAY AND VERY LAST THING.

UM, UM, AND MAYBE, UM, MARY MIGHT SUPPORT THIS, UM, THE, UM, THE SORT OF MINOR, UM, RAIL FENCING BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS FEELS, UM, LIKE IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU CONSIDERED DOING A PLANTER

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IN BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS, HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE AND MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PLANT MATERIAL COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL PRIVACY.

I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO BE MINIMAL ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, A CAFE TABLE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, ASKING YOUR NEIGHBOR IF THEY, IF YOU CAN BORROW SOME SUGAR.

SO, UM, UM, THAT MY LAST COMMENT.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

UM, GREAT, GREAT JOB.

UH, I THINK IT CONTINUES TO GET BETTER AND, UM, HOPE YOU TAKE MY COMMENTS IN THE SPIRIT THAT THEY'RE OFFERED.

GREAT.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.

UM, CAROLYN'S EARNED YOUR NEXT GREAT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, SO LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, I REALLY, I APPRECIATE, UM, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE OR SOME OF THE RESPONSES TO OUR FEEDBACK FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WARMING UP OF THE RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE, UM, AND I'M ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ADDING THE PERGOLA AND SOMETHING ELSE TO WARM UP, UM, OR KIND OF SOFTEN, UM, THE ROOF DECK.

UM, I, I AM ALSO ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE NOT, THAT YOU'RE NOT COMMITTED TO THE WHITE, UM, AND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT COLORATION THERE.

I HAD A SIMILAR COMMENT TO DAN'S ON THE PLAN LEFT, I GUESS, WESTERN, UM, SIDE OF THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FENESTRATION, IF YOU'RE LIMITED WITH FOR PASSIVE HOUSE ON FENESTRATION, BUT MAYBE A DIFFERENT COLOR THERE, SOMETHING TO BREAK UP THAT KIND OF BIG BLANK WALL, UM, FEELS, FEELS LIKE IT WOULD HELP.

UM, IT'D BE A NICE GESTURE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, AND I DON'T WANNA, UM, WASTE TIME REPEATING THEM.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, CAROLYN AND ASHLEY TAN.

UH, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANNA START OFF BY SAYING, UH, SO SIMILAR TO DIEGO, I'M DEFINITELY GETTING MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND, UM, EVEN LOOKING AT THE ROUND FOUR PLAN EARLIER, I JUST REMINDED HOW THIS IS A VERY CONTEMPORARY HOUSING STOCK THERE.

A LOT OF THE HOUSING STOCK HERE IS KIND OF OLD.

AND, UM, JUST EVEN LITTLE DETAILS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN DROP OFF THEIR FOOD DELIVERY, I THINK, UM, RESIDENTS WILL REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'VE BEEN TO SO MANY BUILDINGS WHERE YOU SEE 10 BAGS OF FOOD ON THE FLOOR, , AND SO, UM, I'M SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS NEW HOUSING STOCK IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY THE CITY WANTS TO SEE MORE OF, AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE, UM, THE TEAM TRYING TO MAKE THIS REALLY HAPPEN.

AND, UM, THE VIDEO WAS ALSO SUPER HELPFUL.

TED IS NOT HERE TONIGHT OR ELSE HE WOULD BE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THE VIDEO, UM, TO GIVE US SOME CONTEXT.

AND I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT TOO MUCH, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THE PART THAT NEEDS MORE WORK AND, UM, EVERYONE ELSE HAS ALREADY GIVEN A LOT OF GREAT ADVICES THAT THE SOUTH FACADE, UM, THE SOUTH CORNER ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE IMPROVED WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, AND I ALSO, I THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE, UH, MEMO FROM CDD, BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN CONSIDERING MORE SUNSHADES ON THE, UM, SOUTHERN FACADES WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE ABOUTS ARE, I THINK WOULD ALSO BE GREAT ADDITIONS.

SO, UM, THANK YOU.

GREAT.

THANK YOU ASHLEY.

UH, MARY FLYNN.

UH, THANK YOU.

I, UM, I DID NOT, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE, THE FIRST REVIEW, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DID LOOK AT THE PLANS, UH, AND, AND READ THE COMMENTS.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS AND, UH, THIS IS ONE OF MY LEAST FAVORITE INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY.

UM, SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL CHANGE.

IN ADDITION TO ADDING, UM, ALL OF THE HOUSING UNITS, I THINK IT, IT'S A NICE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE SUGGESTIONS THAT PEOPLE, UM, HAVE MADE BEFORE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE TONIGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WORKING MORE ON THE COLORING AND, AND, UH, THE BLANK FACADES ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WILL MAKE THE, THE PROJECT, UM, EVEN MORE, UH, SUCCESSFUL.

UM, I REALLY, REALLY LIKE THE, UM, THE IDEA OF THE, OF THE, UH, NOD TO MR. IAN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I'VE BEEN CALLING THAT STREET LINEAN, STREET .

IT'S GOOD TO KNOW IT LASTS.

I NOW KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST A GREAT NOD.

UM, AND, AND AS TOM SAID BEFORE, IT GIVES IT REALLY A NICE, UM, THE BUILDING A A NICE SENSE OF PLACE AND A GOOD NOD TO CAMBRIDGE HISTORY.

SO, UM, YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CONTINUE OBVIOUSLY TO WORK WITH CDD ON, ON A LOT OF THE, THE MINOR DESIGN ISSUES AND THE, UH, COLOR ISSUES.

BUT ALL IN ALL, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY NICE BUILDING, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO IT.

GREAT.

AND THANK YOU, MARY.

THANK YOU.

UM, WELL, MARY, AS

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YOU KNOW, I, I JUST MOVED TO CAMBRIDGE 43 YEARS AGO, SO I'VE ONLY BEEN SAYING IT LYDIAN STREET FOR 43 YEARS.

NOT MY WHOLE LIFE.

UH, I'M, BUT I, I, I PROBABLY HAVE TO ADMIT, I'M NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE MISPRONUNCIATION AT THIS POINT.

THIS OLD DOG DOESN'T LEARN NEW TRICKS TOO WELL.

UM, UH, SO I, I DID JUMP THE COMMENT KINDA A LITTLE BIT ON THE, ON MY COMMENTS, AND I, I, THAT MEANS I COULD BE A LITTLE BRIEFER HERE.

UM, UH, I THINK SOME EVIDENCE OF HOW THIS BUILDING IS GONNA EVOLVE WERE THE BRICK DETAILS THAT, UH, MR. QUINN SHOWED VERY QUICKLY.

UM, AS HE'S GETTING INTO A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL OF THE DESIGN, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A DESIGNER THAT'S TAKING, UH, AND FINDING OPPORTUNITY, UH, EITHER IN THE WEAVING OF A CORNER THAT'S NOT 90 DEGREES OR IN A LENTIL.

UH, AND THAT'S VERY EXCITING TO ME BECAUSE THIS IS AN ARCHITECT WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS A, I THINK, A VERY GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH HIS OWNER, UH, WHO IS, UH, EVOLVING THE ARCHITECTURE IN A, IN A REALLY GOOD WAY, UH, WHICH WILL BE TERRIFIC FOR THE CITY.

IT'LL BE A VERY, VERY HIGH QUALITY BUILDING, UH, IF THAT PROCESS KEEPS GOING, AND I HAVE EVERY, UH, CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT IT WILL, UM, I WANTED TO SAY, UH, UH, TWO OTHER THINGS, UM, FOCUSING IN ON A DETAIL OF THE LANDSCAPE, WHICH WAS THE, UH, BENCHES AT THE FRONT DOOR.

UM, THOSE ARE BENCHES FOR PERHAPS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE THERE, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALSO BENCHES FOR AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO MAY BE ON HIS WAY TO LOOK FOR A NEW PHARMACY, UH, OR A RELOCATED PHARMACY, RIGHT? WHO HAS TO TAKE A REST.

AND, UM, FOR ME, THAT'S THE VERY BEST SPIRIT OF, UH, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT HE ALSO, UH, IS SHAPING THE PUBLIC REALM AND SHAPING THE EXPERIENCE OF, UH, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T NECESSARILY HIS TENANTS.

AND, UM, THAT SPIRIT, UM, WHICH OCCURS IN OTHER PLACES IN THE BUILDING.

THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE, UM, IS WHY I'M ON THE PLANNING BOARD, IS TO FIND THOSE MOMENTS, UH, WHERE THE EVOLUTION AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS CITY CONTRIBUTES TO CIVIC LIFE AND THAT, UH, SPIRIT BOTH IN THIS OWNER.

'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PAYBACK NECESSARILY FOR THE OWNER TO DO THAT, RATHER THAN IT'S, IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO CIVIC LIFE.

AND, UM, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND THE LAST COMMENT I WANNA MAKE IS I ASKED YOU TO FOCUS IN ON THE WAYS IN WHICH THE DESIGN HAD EVOLVED SINCE WE LAST MET IN FEBRUARY.

IT'S A BIT OF A TRICK QUESTION, BUT YOU ARE GRADED ON THAT.

AND I'LL SAY THE OTHER THING, AS A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER, YOU HOPE, UH, AFTER THESE HOURS WE SPEND HERE ON TUESDAY NIGHTS THAT WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND, UH, WE APPARENTLY THROUGH THIS DISCOURSE, THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH YOU, WE'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE.

YOU LISTENED, YOU DIDN'T DO EVERYTHING.

APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S AN ECONOMIC COST.

YOU DID WHAT YOU COULD.

YOU TOOK THE ADVICE SERIOUSLY, AND WITH RESPECT, UH, OR AT LEAST YOU PRESENTED IT IN A RESPECTFUL WAY.

WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU SAY BEHIND OUR BACKS.

I DON'T CARE.

THE BUILDING GOT BETTER.

YOU LISTENED.

AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A TERRIFIC THING, UH, UH, TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THESE PROCESSES ON TUESDAY NIGHT DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE CITY.

SO, UH, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, TAKING THE, THE FEEDBACK SERIOUSLY AND INCORPORATING AS MUCH OF IT AS, AS YOU COULD, AS YOU HAVE, AND AS YOU COULD.

SO I'VE, EVERY, EVERY EXPECTATION THAT THE HELPFUL COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TONIGHT, I HOPE RESPECTFULLY WILL ALSO BE TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, UM, I'M LOOKING FOR, LEMME GO BACK TO MY SCRIPT.

WHAT AM I LOOKING FOR? ARE THERE ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY ELSE AFTER THAT? NONE.

HEARING NONE.

SO ONLY FULL MEMBER MEMBERS, OH, SORRY.

D UH, EVAN, YOU GOT A COMMENT? YEAH, WE, UM, WE JUST, SORRY.

UH, ONE OF THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AND, AND A BUTTER, UM, SEEMS TO HAVE THEIR HAND UP.

UM, I SEE AFTER THE, THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO WE WERE JUST WONDERING IF YOU, UH, WOULD, WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, TO SPEAK AND MAKE THEIR, THEIR COMMENT NOW.

WELL, IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I JUST SAID, WHERE WE'VE GOT A, A TEAM THAT SEEMS TO TAKE, UH, DISCOURSE AND, AND ADVICE TO HEART, UM, UH, I, I WANNA PULL THE BOARD, BUT I THINK WE, IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO POTENTIALLY TAKE THIS OUT OF ORDER.

IT'S UNPRECEDENTED IN MY EXPERIENCE, BUT, UM, I'M SEEING NODS FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER THAT, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING,

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AND PETER, YOU WERE PROBABLY GONNA RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

I, I WANNA, UH, UH, JUST BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PETER, I WANT TO SURE, UH, GET THIS MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SPEAK TO THE DEVELOPER AND TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE RECORD.

SO EVAN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, DRAWING MY ATTENTION TO THAT.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL ASK, UM, THAT THE, UH, SPEAKER THAT YOU UNMUTE THEM AND THAT THE SPEAKER IDENTIFY THEMSELF, GIVE THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS, AND, UH, UH, IF MR. BENTLEY WOULD, UH, YEAH.

YEAH.

IF MR. BENTLEY, MR. BENLEY.

OH, HI.

IS IT, IS IT, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK NOW? I WAS JUST, CAN I GIVE YOU SOME INSTRUCTIONS? INSTRUCTIONS? OH, SURE, SURE.

YEAH.

THERE WE GO.

THREE MINUTES.

THREE MINUTES.

YEAH.

NO, IT'S MR. BENTLEY, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

YEAH.

UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, I THINK THIS IS A NICE IMPROVEMENT.

I'M VERY GRATEFUL, ADAM AND, UH, TO THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM FOR THE SOFTENING AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE BUILDING.

UM, JUST, JUST YOU, YOU COULD GIVE YOUR ADDRESS MR. BEN ADDRESS.

MR. BEN.

SURE.

IT'S 1734 MASS AVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, THE, THE QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE MOVING OF THE CONDENSERS OFF THE ROOF OR THE REDUCTION IN THE, IN THEM, AND THE SIMPLY, WHERE WILL THAT HEAT EXCHANGE TAKE PLACE? WHERE WILLOWS, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BASICALLY, UH, IF THEY'RE SPLIT UNITS OR HOWEVER IT IS, THERE'LL BE STILL SOME KIND OF EXCHANGE WITH PUB, WITH OUTSIDE AIR.

AND SO, UM, I'M WONDERING IF THEY'LL BE VISIBLE, AUDIBLE, THAT KIND OF THING.

SURE, SURE.

SO THE UNITS, WERE, WERE JUST, JUST ONE SECOND.

WE HAVE A TECHNICAL ISSUE.

'CAUSE WITH THE ECHO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

I'LL, I'LL MUTE MY THANK YOU, MR. BENTLEY.

OKAY.

THAT WORKED.

OKAY, GO AHEAD MR. SIEGEL.

WE'RE GONNA BE UTIL UTILIZING THESE, THESE RECENTLY, I SHOULDN'T, IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, PASSIVE HOUSE APPROVED, UH, EPICA UNITS MADE OUTTA ITALY.

AND THEY HAVE A CONDENSER BUILT INSIDE THAT'S INSIDE OF THEM.

AND THEIR, IT'S A UNITARY SYSTEM THAT CONTAINS A CONDENSER AND AN ERV ALL IN, IN ONE SYSTEM, AND THEY DIRECTLY VENT OUT THE SIDEWALLS.

UM, SO IT, IT'S KIND OF, IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE VENTING BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ERV VENT, UH, IN EITHER CONDITION, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THE, THE HEAT EXCHANGE AS WELL.

AND THEY'RE VERY QUIET.

UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE, THE SOUND RATINGS OF THEM, AND WE'VE, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE, BE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE, THE CAMBRIDGE NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE HOUSED INSIDE THE BUILDING BASICALLY.

AND JUST HAVE A BREATHING HOLE ON THE, UH, OUTSIDE.

CORRECT.

TWO DUCKS.

TWO DUCKS.

OKAY.

I GET IT.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THE DEEP BEAT, WILL WE BE HEARING THEM ON THE, DO YOU HAVE I BELIEVE IT, YES.

YES, I BELIEVE IT.

MAXIMUM CAPACITY, WHICH WILL BE THE COLDEST WINTER DAY.

IT'S ABOUT 50 DB AT THE ACTUAL UNIT, AT THE, THE, UM, SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GREAT.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, MR. BENTLEY.

UM, OKAY, MR. QUINN, TRADITIONALLY THE CHAIR GETS THE LAST WORD, BUT, UH, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU NEED TO, UH, UH, CONTRIBUTE? UH, YES.

UH, WITH ALL THESE COMPLIMENTS ON THE DESIGN, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS FAIR CRITICISM, I, UM, I ESPECIALLY WANT TO MENTION SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM THAT HELPED PUT THIS TOGETHER.

ABSOLUTELY.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT'D BE NO.

WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU.

YES.

UH, AN HAN WE WAS, UH, ON OUR STAFF AND SHE'S A SUPERB DESIGNER, HAS HELPED VERY MUCH AND HAS THAT GREAT COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH ADAM AND, UH, BRENDAN.

AND, UM, MILTON IS OUR ZONING SPECIALIST AND WHO GOT US THROUGH THE GATES ON ALL OF THE PECULIARITIES OF THE NEW ZONING, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIRST SO .

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MR. QUINN.

OKAY.

WITH THAT, UM, I'LL GO BACK TO THE SCRIPT HERE, WHICH IS, UM, ONLY FULL BOARD MEMBERS WILL ACT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

SO IS THERE A MOTION, UM, TO CONCLUDE THE DESIGN CONSULTATION AND SUBMIT A FINAL REPORT WITH OUR COMMENTS TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OF BUILDINGS? AND IF YOU COULD SAY YOUR NAME, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT MOTION.

I, UM, THIS IS MARY FLYNN.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

OKAY.

I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND AS ALWAYS.

THIS IS MARY LEIGER SECOND.

OKAY.

THE DOUBLE DOUBLE BARRELED MARY MOTION.

UM, WITH THAT, EVAN, CAN WE HAVE A ROLL, ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT? SURE THING.

UM, TED COHEN IS ABSENT.

MARY FLYNN? YES.

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THANK YOU.

MARY ECKER? YES.

DIEGO MACIAS? YES.

ASHLEY TAM? YES.

CAROLYN ZERN? YES.

AND MVI? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL MEMBERS VOTING IN FAVOR.

GREAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE ONE MORE, ONE MORE ITEM, WHICH IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT, UH, IMPORTANT NONETHELESS, WHICH IS, I HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE OR OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GEORGE JACKSON'S LAST HEARING.

UM, UH, SHE'S, UH, NOT QUITTING THE BOARD.

SHE'S MOVING TO A, A TOWN ACROSS THE RIVER, AND SO IS NO LONGER ELIGIBLE TO SIT.

THAT'S A FOOLISH RULE.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM, I DON'T KNOW, FROM NEW YORK CITY, COME AND SIT ON THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT, UH, UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, UH, FOR, UH, YOUR CONTRIBUTION, UH, FOR OUR SOMETIMES THANKLESS JOB, ESPECIALLY AS AN ASSOCIATE MEMBER, OFTEN PATIENTLY SITTING HERE, AND THEN YOU DON'T GET TO ACTUALLY VOTE.

UH, NONETHELESS, YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

UM, EVEN, UH, SILENCE IS MEANINGFUL.

IT MEANS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND YOU'RE MOVING THE HEARING ON EFFICIENTLY.

SO, UH, I'VE APPRECIATED YOUR SMILE AND YOUR VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS FROM TIME TO TIME AND YOUR, UH, ALMOST PERFECT ATTENDANCE, UH, WHICH IS A MODEL THAT THE CHAIR MAYBE NEEDS TO LEARN FROM.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WANTED TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS, UH, TONIGHT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTING WORDS.

NO, THANKS TOM.

UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M SAD TO BE LEAVING, BUT YOU KNOW, ALSO A LITTLE BIT EXCITED FOR, YOU KNOW, MOVING TO A LITTLE BIT BIGGER SPOT, NO LONGER CRA IN MY ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT AT CAMBRIDGE .

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, , IT'S BITTERSWEET, BUT I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM ALL OF YOU THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

UM, IT'S BEEN, I THINK, JUST A CRAFT COURSE IN ZONING AND URBAN DESIGN, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, ALL OF YOU.

SO, UH, THANK OKAY, JOY.

THEY NEED SOME HELP OVER THERE ACROSS THE RIVER.

SO GET ON THE PLANNING BOARD IN, IN BOSTON AND, UM, AND FIX 'EM UP.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM, UH, FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS? YOU KNOW, JUST THANKS JOY AND, UH, BEST OF LUCK IN YOUR, YOUR NEW HOME.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I GUESS THAT'S IT.

UH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY, AND, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH, I GATHER.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU.