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          GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 24TH, 2026 MEETING OF THE CAMBRIDGE PLANNING BOARD. 
          MY NAME IS TOM SOVICH, AND I'M THE CHAIR PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2025, ADOPTED BY THE MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL COURT AND APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR, THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED TO USE REMOTE PARTICIPATION AT MEETINGS OF THE CAMBRIDGE PLANNING BOARD. 
          ALL BOARD MEMBERS, APPLICANTS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL STATE THEIR NAME BEFORE SPEAKING, AND ALL VOTES WILL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE KEPT ON MUTE UNTIL IT IS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I WILL GIVE INSTRUCTIONS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME. 
          AND YOU CAN ALSO FIND INSTRUCTIONS ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE FOR REMOTE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS. 
          THIS MEETING IS BEING VIDEO AND AUDIO RECORDED. 
          THERE WILL ALSO BE A TRANSCRIPT MADE OF THE PROCEEDINGS. 
          HOWEVER, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MEETING IS NOT BEING STREAMED LIVE ON THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE'S ONLINE MEETING PORTAL OR ON CABLE TELEVISION CHANNEL 22. 
          I WILL START BY ASKING STAFF TO TAKE BOARD MEMBER ATTENDANCE AND VERIFY THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE AUDIBLE. 
          JEFF, THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS JEFF ROBERTS, H THEODORE COHEN, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? YES, I'M PRESENT AND IT'S VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE. 
          THANK YOU, TED. 
          MARY FLYNN, ARE YOU PRESENT AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MARY. 
          MARY LIGHT DECKER, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? MARY L WAS ABSENT. 
          DIEGO MACIAS, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DIEGO. 
          ASHLEY TAN, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ASHLEY. 
          CAROLYN, ZERN, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE? THANK YOU. 
          CAROLYN, ASSOCIATE MEMBERS, DAN ANDERSON, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU BY JEFF PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE? THANK YOU, DAN. 
          JOY JACKSON, ARE YOU PRESENT? AND IS THE MEETING VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU? VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE. 
          THANK YOU, JOY. 
          AND THOM VIC, CAN YOU CONFIRM YOUR PRESENT AND THE MEETING IS, IS VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE TO YOU PRESENT, VISIBLE AND AUDIBLE. 
          THANK YOU, TOM. 
          SO THAT MAKES SIX BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT AND TWO ASSOCIATE MEMBERS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU JEFF. 
          UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS AN UPDATE FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          SO PLEASE ALSO INTRODUCE ANY STAFF THAT ARE PRESENT AT THE MEETING. 
          JEFF, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU TOM. 
          ONCE AGAIN, UH, JEFF ROBERTS WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE HAVE, UH, PRESENT, UH, ON OUR TEAM, SWATHI JOSEPH AND EMILY HUTCHINGS, UH, FROM THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE FROM THE URBAN DESIGN TEAM OVER IN COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DESIGN, ERIC KELSON. 
          AND, UH, I BELIEVE WE'LL BE JOINED A LITTLE BIT LATER BY, UH, MELISSA PETERS. 
          UM, SHE MAY BE JOINING US IN PROGRESS. 
          UH, WE'RE ALL, UH, FROM THE HOME OFFICES TODAY. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY EVERYONE IS STAYING SAFE OUT IN THE WEATHER. 
          JUST BEFORE WE KICK THINGS OFF, I'LL, I'LL JUST GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD SCHEDULE LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, TODAY A AFTER A, A BRIEF ITEM OF, OF, UH, BUSINESS, WE'LL BE GETTING INTO, UM, A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL BE JUST BEGINNING RIGHT INTO TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          THE, UH, NEXT MEETING, WE'LL BE NEXT WEEK ON MARCH 3RD, AND WE HAVE SCHEDULED A ADVISORY CONSULTATION ON 2072 MASS AVE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD ADVISORY CONSULTATION. 
          UH, THIS WILL BE THE SECOND REVIEW SESSION FOR THAT CASE. 
          THEN ON MARCH, THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM WE CURRENTLY HAVE SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 3RD. 
          UM, MARCH 10TH, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS SCHEDULED. 
          UM, WE HAVE A, UH, ANOTHER PLANNING BOARD ADVISORY CONSULTATION FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS IS EIGHT TO 12 MAY STREET AND 53 LAWN STREET, WHICH IS KNOWN AS CORCORAN PARK. 
          THAT, AGAIN, IS THE SECOND OF THE TWO REQUIRED PLANNING BOARD ADVISORY CONSULTATION SESSIONS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, UH, AN ADVISORY CONSULTATION CASE FOR TWO 40 BROADWAY, WHICH IS ANOTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS IS ONE THAT UNDER THE NEW ZONING, UM, BASED JUST ON THE CHARACTERISTICS AND THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT REQUIRES ONLY ONE PLANNING AWARD ADVISORY 
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CONSULTATION SESSION. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, UM, SO THAT'S THREE, UH, ADVISORY, UH, CONSULTATIONS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVERLAY PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. 
          SO IT'LL BE A FAIRLY BUSY, UH, FEW WEEKS WITH, WITH THREE MEETINGS IN A ROW. 
          UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BREAK AFTER THAT. 
          AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU WITH ADDITIONAL SCHEDULED ITEMS, WHICH I'M SURE WE'LL BE COMING IN. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, THAT, YEAH, THAT'LL BE THE UPDATES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS, UH, OF JEFF OR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS? I SEE NONE INDICATED. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MEETING MINUTES. 
          THE BOARD HAS, UH, RECEIVED CERTIFIED TRANSCRIPTS FOR THE MEETINGS HELD ON JANUARY 27TH AND FEBRUARY 3RD, 2026. 
          IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPTS, UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME RAISE, INDICATE SUCH, DON'T APPEAR TO BE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, ONLY FULL BOARD MEMBERS WILL ACT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TRANSCRIPTS AT, UH, AT THE MEETING? UH, MINUTES. 
          THIS IS DIEGO, MS. PIT. 
          SO MOVED. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IN A SECOND. 
          THIS IS DIEGO SECOND. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE ON THAT MOTION. 
          TED COHEN? YES. 
          MARY FLYNN. 
          YES. 
          DIEGO MACIAS. 
          YES. 
          ASHLEY TAN? YES. 
          CAROLYN ZERN. 
          YES. 
          THOMPSON VIC? YES. 
          THAT'S ALL MEMBERS PRESENT. 
          VOTING IN FAVOR. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE'LL TURN OUR ATTENTION TO NOW. 
          THE NEXT, NEXT ITEM IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT IN CASE PB 360 4. 
          A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED LAND UNIT DEVELOPMENT BY NEW ENGLAND DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE OF THE CAMBRIDGE SIDE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          CDD STAFF WILL BEGIN BY SUMMARIZING WHY THIS IS BEFORE US, JEFF, ONCE AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS WILL BE ME AGAIN. 
          SO THIS IS A-A-P-U-D SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, PROJECT THAT WAS GRANTED IN 2021. 
          THERE ARE FOUR BUILDING SITES, UH, AS PART OF THIS, AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME OPEN SPACE IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PUD. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT, ALL OF THE FOUR BUILDING SITES HAVE RECEIVED DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL, AND TWO HAVE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, AND THE SPECIAL PERMIT HAS A PROVISION RELATED TO, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT BE ISSUED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF RECEIVING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL. 
          AND THAT'S TO KIND OF HAVE A, A BIT OF STANDARD, SORT OF CONSISTENT WITH SPECIAL PERMIT ISSUANCE SO THAT, UM, AFTER THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD, THERE'S A, AT LEAST A, A CHECK BACK TO SEE, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL EXTENSION FOR THE BUILDINGS AT, UH, 81ST STREET AND ONE 50 CAMBRIDGE SIDE PLACE. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO OTHER PROPOSED CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT. 
          UM, AND IF THERE ARE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE DESIGN OF, OF EITHER OF THE BUILDINGS WHEN THEY GET TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO RETURN, UH, TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE CHANGES. 
          SO THE BOARD'S ACTION IS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT, UM, TO, TO EXTEND THAT DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL, UM, PERIOD CAN BE GRANTED AS A MINOR AMENDMENT, AND THE CRITERIA, UH, REMAIN THE SAME FROM THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT THAT WAS GRANTED IN 2024. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS POINT, UM, ARE THERE, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE APPLICANT OR TO STAFF ABOUT THE MATTER? YES. 
          CAROLYN, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION. 
          UM, CAN YOU REMIND ME IF THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF EXTENSIONS IF THERE'S AT SOME POINT WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN KIND OF A MORE FORMAL WAY, OR IF THERE ARE NO LIMITS ON THAT? NO, THERE, THERE ARE NO LIMITS. 
          IT, IT REALLY IS A, IT, IT'S KIND OF A, A WAY TO HAVE A CHECK IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, UH, IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME THAT ELAPSES BETWEEN THE DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL AND THE BUILDING PERMIT, THAT, UM, WE CAN AT LEAST TRACK, YOU KNOW, THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE KEY, THE KEY POINT IS THAT WHAT ULTIMATELY GETS APPROVED AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE HAS TO BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED. 
          SO AS, AS NOTED, ANY CHANGES WHEN IT GETS DOWN THE LINE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO 
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THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ADDITIONAL REVIEW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, DAN. 
          UH, YEAH, SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, UM, UM, THE QUESTION FOR CAROLYN. 
          I, MY QUESTION'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WHICH IS, UH, SINCE I DIDN'T SIT ON THIS, UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES THAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED? OBVIOUSLY, UH, MARKET CONDITIONS AND FINANCING FOLLOWED THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED USE. 
          UM, AND WHAT, IF YOU, ANY CHANGES YOU MIGHT ANTICIPATE? GREAT. 
          SOMEBODY HERE FROM THE APPLICANT WANNA ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? HI, UH, SARAH LEMKE FROM NEW ENGLAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES AT THIS TIME. 
          THIS EXTENSION IS JUST TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO PULL THE BUILDING PERMIT PERMIT. 
          IF WE WERE TO PROPOSE PRO PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES, WE UNDERSTAND WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN FOR AN AMENDMENT. 
          GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? I JUST HAVE ONE FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGH LETTER THAT, UH, LAYS OUT ALL THE PARTICULARS. 
          BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS EXTENSION IN ANY WAY MODIFIES THE RESIDENTIAL TIMING OF THE REQUIREMENT SET FORTH IN SECTION 13.104 OF THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE ZONING ORDINANCE AS REFERENCED IN THE, IN CONDITION NUMBER FIVE IN THE ORIGINAL PLANNING BOARD, UM, PERMIT UNDER 360 4. 
          SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE DEAL AROUND THE HOUSING IS, IS SOLID. 
          THANKS, CHAIR VIC? UH, YES, THE, THE PROVISION IN 13 1 0 4 1D, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL TIMING, WHICH IS TIED TO A TRIGGER OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NET NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE OR, UM, THE SECOND NEW BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED. 
          WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGE TO THAT TIMING REQUIREMENT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IT'S REASSURING TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          SO, RELATIVELY MOOT BUNCH, BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, CONSIDERED THIS BEFORE AND GIVEN THE PART PARTICULAR CONDITION, MARKET CONDITIONS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO LEASING, FINANCING AND ECONOMIC CONSTRAINTS THAT, UH, WE'RE ALL LIVING UNDER RIGHT NOW, AND ESPECIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY AND IN GREATER BOSTON, UH, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO, UH, TO OFFER THEM ANOTHER TWO YEAR LIFELINE ON, ON THE PERMIT, UH, AND, AND KEEP THEM GOING. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S MY SENSE, UH, FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, UH, I'M LOOKING FOR, UM, A MOTION TO GRANT, UH, A MINOR AMENDMENT, MAKE A FINDING THAT THERE'S A MINOR, THIS IS A MINOR AMENDMENT, PROBABLY BASED ON, UH, OUR PREVIOUSLY FINDING OF SUCH, UH, TO GRANT A TWO YEAR DESIGN REVIEW AND APPROVAL EXTENSION FOR 81ST STREET AND 150 CAMBRIDGE HIGH PLACE, LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION. 
          UM, THIS IS MARY. 
          SO MOVED. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND A SECOND. 
          THIS IS TED SECOND. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          SO I'M COMBINING BOTH THE FINDING THAT IT'S A, THAT IT IS A MINOR AMENDMENT AND THAT WE'RE GONNA GRANT THE REQUEST, UH, UNDER THIS MINOR AMENDMENT. 
          I THINK THAT'S, UH, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION. 
          THANK YOU, JEFF. 
          A ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          UH, BEFORE WE, WE GET INTO THE VOTE, CAN I JUST ASK, ARE WE, UM, WOULD YOU, UH, I BELIEVE WE NEED MAYBE NEED TO APPOINT A MEMBER AS THIS IS A SPECIAL PERMIT CASE TO ACT, UM, WITH ONE PLAINTIFF MEMBER. 
          ABSENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, FORGIVE ME FOR NEGLECTING THAT. 
          I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAD A FULL ROSTER, BUT I THINK, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF, UH, UH, IT IS JOY JACKSON'S TURN TO, UH, TO, UH, VOTE ON THE MATTER SO THAT, SO, UH, SO JOY IS APPOINTED, IS BEING APPOINTED TO ACT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO ON THAT MOTION, TED COHEN? YES. 
          MARY FLYNN. 
          YES. 
          DIEGO MACIAS. 
          YES. 
          ASHLEY TAN. 
          YES. 
          CAROLYN ZERN. 
          YES. 
          JOY JACKSON? YES. 
          AND THOMPSON AVIC? YES. 
          SO THAT'S ALL MEMBERS VOTING IN FAVOR. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PROMPT, JEFF. 
          UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT BY HEALTH 
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PEAK OP LLC IN THE ALEWIFE QUADRANGLE CDD STAFF WILL BEGIN BY SUMMARIZING THE PURPOSE OR THE PURPOSE OF SUCH A CONFERENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST ONE MORE TIME FOR, FOR ME. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, A ZONING DISTRICT. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES, UM, UH, CALLED THE A LIFE QUADRANGLE, WHICH WAS, UH, ADOPTED IN 2023. 
          AND WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED, IT, IT WAS ADOPTED WITH A, UH, PUD SPECIAL PERMIT STRUCTURE IN PLACE, UM, WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT THERE WOULD BE A, UM, SUBSTANTIAL, UH, PUD PROPOSAL COMING FORWARD, UM, BASED ON, ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNER. 
          SO, UH, THE STAGE WE'RE AT NOW IN THE PROCESS THAT THIS PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE IS A, A VOLUNTARY, UM, PROVISION IN OUR, OUR PUD PROCEDURES. 
          IT ALLOWS A, UH, DEVELOPER BEFORE APPLYING FOR THEIR, UH, PUD SPECIAL PERMIT TO, UM, SIMPLY GIVE A, A PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, AND, UH, TO FAMILIARIZE, YOU KNOW, BOTH THE, UM, TO FAMILIARIZE THE, THE PUBLIC AND THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, WITH THE, THE SORT OF THE INTENDED PROPOSAL AND FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO FAMILIARIZE THE, UM, THE DEVELOPER WITH, UH, THE, THE ZONING AND, AND, UH, PLANNING OBJECTIVES FOR THE AREA. 
          SO THERE ARE NO, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC BOARD ACTION REQUIRED AND, AND IT'S COMPLETELY CONVERSATIONAL. 
          SO NOTHING THAT GETS DISCUSSED AT A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, UM, GIVES ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKES ANY COMMITMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROPOSAL WILL LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S ULTIMATE, UM, UM, ACTION OR DISCUSSION WILL BE. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UM, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT DEVELOPER WOULD BE DOING WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND THE LARGER COMMUNITY JUST TO HELP UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROPOSAL AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE AND I'LL, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER THERE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, SO, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION, I UNDERSTAND THAT ANTHONY GUCCIO WILL BE REPRESENTING THE PROJECT TEAM. 
          PLEASE BEGIN BY INTRODUCING YOURSELF AND ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON YOUR TEAM TONIGHT. 
          AND YOU'LL HAVE UP TO 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT, BUT WE HOPE YOU CAN BE AS CONCISE AS POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND I WANT, WANNA INTRODUCE, UH, MY CO-COUNSEL, JIM RAFFERTY, WHO'S ALSO HERE. 
          HE'LL BE, UH, TAKING PART IN THE PRESENTATION, UM, FOR PURPOSES OF BREVITY, MR. CHAIR, WE'LL, WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND YOU'LL MEET, UH, THE TEAM THAT WAY. 
          I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UM, RYLAND WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S GOING TO, UH, GIVE A BRIEF, UH, UH, PRESENTATION FROM HEALTH PEAK, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO EVERYONE. 
          EVERYONE. 
          WE ARE DOING WELL. 
          UM, AS ANTHONY MENTIONED, MY NAME IS RYLAND SQUIRREL NETWORK ON THE INVESTMENTS TEAM HERE AT HEALTHY. 
          WE, EXCUSE ME, I HAVE TO INTERRUPT. 
          RYLAND. 
          WE'VE GOT A PRETTY INTENSE ECHO HERE. 
          YOU'VE GOTTA MUTE ONE OF YOUR MICROPHONES. 
          IS IT ON MY SIDE? I THINK SO. 
          SO DOES SOMEONE ELSE HAVE IT OPEN? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I MEAN, WHEN I MUTE, HOW ABOUT NOW? DOES THAT, I'M WONDERING IF IT MIGHT, JOHN, SPEAK, SPEAKING, SPEAK. 
          OH, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL ECHO. 
          MR. CHAIR, DID I ECHO WHEN I FIRST SPOKE? YOU DID NOT. 
          UH, MR. GALLUCCI, YOU CAME THROUGH LOUDER AND CLEAR. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO SOMEBODY MUST HAVE ALL BEEN THE, THEIR MIC AFTER I SPOKE. 
          I, I'M GOING TO MUTE ALL MICROPHONES AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, WHOEVER IS SPEAKING, PLEASE TAKE TURNS TO UNMUTE, AND THEN LET'S TRY THAT. 
          IS IT STILL GOING ANTHONY, MR. CHAIR, FOR PURPOSES OF, UH, WELL NOW I'M, NOW I'M AT GOING 
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MR. CHAIR, IS THIS A FIRST? YES, IT IS. 
          IT IS . 
          WAIT, WAIT. 
          CAN YOU, IS IT BETTER NOW? NOW, UH, IT, ALL OF US ARE GOING. 
          UNFORTUNATELY. 
          I, I'M JOHN. 
          IT'S, IT'S YOUR SECOND MICROPHONE. 
          I JUST MUTED YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ARE WE GOOD NOW? STILL? IT'S STILL ECHO GOING. 
          STILL LIKE, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          JOHN, WILL YOU, UM, LOG OUT FOR A SECOND BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON I REMEMBER THIS AN ISSUE AT CUS WILL YOU GUYS JUST CHECK OUT AND THEN COME BACK IN? IS THIS STILL OUTGOING FOR EVERYONE? NO. 
          NICE. 
          THAT WORKED. 
          WHATEVER THAT WAS. 
           JUST HAD TO KICK JOHN OUT. 
          . 
          YEAH, BUT IT WAS, UH, YEAH, NO, WE DON'T SOUND LIKE ALIENS ANYMORE, SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          UH, SO WHY DON'T WE TRY AGAIN? UM, THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION, MR. GUCCIO. 
          AND I THINK YOU WERE HAVING, UH, RYLAND, UH, PICK IT UP FROM THERE. 
          SO, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, SO AS I WAS GOING, UM, MY NAME'S RYLAND SQUIRREL AND I WORK ON THE INVESTMENTS TEAM HERE AT HEALTH PEAK. 
          AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS MASTER PLAN, UH, FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, ALMOST ALL THE WAY FROM THE ACQUISITION OF THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS TO THE REZONING PROCESS WITH THE OY WORKING GROUP. 
          AND NOW FINALLY THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS WITH YOU ALL. 
          AND HONESTLY, IT'S, IT'S VERY SURREAL TO FINALLY BE HERE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD AFTER SUCH A LONG JOURNEY. 
          AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, EVERYTHING THAT WE, ALONG WITH THE CITY, THE L WHITE WORKING GROUP AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON OVER THESE YEARS. 
          UM, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE FUN PART, I FIRST WANNA INTRODUCE, UM, HEALTH PEAK AND WHAT WE DO. 
          UH, WE ARE A PUBLICLY TRADED HEALTHCARE REIT THAT OWNS, OPERATES AND DEVELOPS, UH, LIFE SCIENCE, OUTPATIENT MEDICAL, AND SENIOR HOUSING REAL ESTATE, UM, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 
          UH, WE ALSO CALL CAMBRIDGE HOME, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY THIS SUBMARKET ITSELF. 
          UM, SINCE WE OWN ABOUT A MILLION SQUARE FEET RIGHT ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN THE, UH, ALE WHITE TRIANGLE. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS MASTER PLAN FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          AND OVER THAT TIME, UH, THE ECONOMY, THE ECONOMY HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT. 
          AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, UM, WHEN WE FIRST ACQUIRE THESE PROPERTIES, WE FOUND OURSELVES IN THE BLOW AND GO DAYS OF LIFE SCIENCE WHERE EVERYTHING MADE FINANCIAL SENSE. 
          UH, HOWEVER, NOWADAYS WITH INCREASED INTEREST RATES, INFLATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND, UH, REGULATORY UNCERTAINTY, WE ARE MET WITH SOME VERY SERIOUS CHALLENGES, NOT JUST FOR THE LIFE SCIENCE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, WHICH WE ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO WORK THROUGH. 
          BUT DESPITE ALL THOSE CHALLENGES, UM, HEALTH PEAK IS COMMITTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS BECAUSE WE TRULY WANNA CAPITALIZE ON THE MOMENTUM AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY DURING THE A L LIFE WORKING GROUP PROCESS AND ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND TRULY EFFECTUATE THIS MASTER PLAN THAT SO MANY PEOPLE, SO, SO MANY PEOPLE, UH, HAVE COME TOGETHER TO PRODUCE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME. 
          UM, I'M VERY EXCITED, , IF YOU CAN'T TELL, TO FINALLY BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL, UM, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, THIS VERY LONG JOURNEY. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL PASS IT ON TO ANTHONY TO FURTHER DISCUSS THE, THE MASTER PLAN. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU, RY AGAIN, ANTHONY GUCCIO, LAND USE ATTORNEY. 
          I'LL BE, UH, SENDING YOU A SEPARATE CONTRACT FOR TECHNICAL IT SERVICES RYLAND LATER ON TONIGHT. 
          SO TOM, I HOPE YOU'RE IMPRESSED WITH, WITH THAT. 
          UM, I WISH YOU WAS JOKING . 
          UH, IT'S A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS IF I HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          I DO WANNA FIRST, UH, UM, EXPAND ON RYLAND'S, UH, POINTS AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON COMMUNITY PROCESS. 
          AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO SWATHI AND JEFF AND DANIEL'S IN FOR THEIR INVITATION. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT TIME FOR A CHECK-IN. 
          I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE BOARD WITH THIS CHECK-IN AND UPDATE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN OUT WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, EXTENSIVELY. 
          UM, WE HAD A GREAT COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, WITH THAT WAS WELL ATTENDED. 
          WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND CHECKED IN WITH THE WORKING GROUP FIRST BECAUSE THEY WERE SO VESTED AND INVOLVED IN, UM, HELPING TO DRAFT THE ZONING THAT WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THEM BEFORE WE EVEN FILED OUR DRAFT. 
          UM, AND WE HAD SOME MEPA MEETINGS AS WELL ON SITE OVER THE SUMMER. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CIRCLE BACK AND, AND SORT OF REINFORCED THAT WE'RE ALIGNED, UH, 
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WITH ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THE ZONING. 
          AS RYLAND SAID THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE EIGHT WORKING GROUP MEETINGS, WHICH WE PARTICIPATED IN WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          UM, AND WE'VE ALSO TAKEN SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS TO GET FEEDBACK AND BE OUT THERE AND INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAD AN ARTS FOCUSED BLOCK PARTY, UM, IN EARLY FALL, BUT WE, WE ALSO TOOK THE UNUSUAL STEP OF CONDUCTING SURVEYS, WHICH, SO WE USED THE BLOCK PARTY OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE GREAT FUN FOR FAMILIES AND INVITE FOLKS IN AND, AND TRY TO REACH OUT TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAD SURVEYS ON SITE WITH RENDERINGS, AND WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK. 
          UM, WE USED THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF REINFORCE THE VALUES THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          NOT SURPRISINGLY, BECAUSE IT WAS A COMMUNITY ZONING PROCESS. 
          UM, THE THINGS THAT CAME BACK TO US, WHICH, WHICH I ALWAYS REFER TO AS THE GOOD STUFF REALLY WAS, WAS ECHOED IN THOSE SURVEYS, UM, MORE OF A CONNECTIVE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, OPEN SPACE, UH, BRIDGE COMMUTER RAIL, UM, LOOKING FOR REALLY A COMMUTE COM, UH, A COMPLETE COMMUNITY OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT TO JUST HEAR AGAIN, ALL THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE CITY WORKED SO HARD TO, UH, ENVELOP WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE ZONING. 
          UM, WE'VE HAVE FILED A DRAFT, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND JIM'S GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT THE INTERACTIONS WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, BUT WE'VE HAD GREAT MEETINGS WITH, WITH STAFF AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT DRAFT. 
          AND, AND I SHOULD MENTION THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE ZONING. 
          I DON'T WANNA, UH, I DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT. 
          THESE ARE JUST SOME GREAT RENDERINGS FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO DATE. 
          AND IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE THE WHOLE HEALTH BEAT TEAM COME IN, YOU KNOW, AND INTERACT KELVIN, MOSES AND HEIDI AND ALL. 
          AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST REINFORCING WHAT I, I WOULD SAY ARE SORT OF THE, THE MAJOR PREMISES OF THE ZONING. 
          UM, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT REALLY QUICKLY TO JUST OVERVIEW. 
          I KNOW MOST OF THE MEMBERS WILL BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ZONING, UH, BUT REALLY JUST I THINK A MODEL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH, WITH OPEN SPACE AND, AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH, CONNECTIVITY AND BUILDING A, UH, AGAIN, A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD RE THE, THE ZONING IS VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT REQUIRING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, REQUIRING OPEN SPACE, A COOL NEW CATEGORY. 
          I KNOW THAT THE BOARD HAS SEEN DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS FOR SORT OF RETAIL TYPE, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY VARIANCES, BUT, UH, VARIATIONS IN RETAIL. 
          I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD USE CATEGORY SORT OF ENCOMPASSES HOW FOLKS FEEL, UH, IN REAL TIME ABOUT WHAT AN ACTIVE USE IS. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY REQUIRING SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IN THIS CASE THE INTENTION IS LAND FOR, UH, A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. 
          UH, AND A BRIDGE CONNECTION. 
          THIS IS JUST, I'M DOING THIS REALLY HIGH LEVEL, 40% RESIDENTIAL, 3% OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD USES 20%, UM, PUBLIC OPEN SPACE AND 25% PERMEABLE. 
          THESE ARE THE, THE TWO HEIGHT DISTRICTS. 
          UM, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, THE COMMUNITY AND AND PLANNERS WERE, UM, FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THE, THE, THE REAL DENSITY OCCURRED ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          YOU'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE. 
          MAKES GREAT SENSE. 
          WE THINK, AND IT'S SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED, UH, THE HEIGHT STEPS DOWN AS YOU GET TO CONCORD. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE INTERESTING HEIGHT ZONES. 
          THEY, THEY WERE, JIM AND I BOTH, JIM GREW UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE HIGHLANDS. 
          I LIVED IN THE HIGHLAND NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THAT COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUFFER AREA AND THE ABUTTING PARCELS AND AS WELL AS THE CONCORD AVE PAST WORK AROUND CONCORD AVE WAS, WAS RESPECTED. 
          UM, I DO WANNA JUST NOTE, THERE'S A HEIGHT, AN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, UM, BONUS ONE FLOOR, UH, WHICH IS TIED TO THE GRANTING OF THE, THE LAND FOR, FOR, FOR WHAT WE THINK WILL BE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AGAIN, HIGH LEVEL LAND FOR PUBLIC USE, UM, CONVEYANCE, WHICH, UH, FOR MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, JIM WILL, JIM WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT THERE'S, THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF EXCITEMENT AROUND THE BRIDGE AND FOLKS ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN THE POTENTIAL FOR A, A COMMUTER RAIL OR SOME TYPE OF, UH, RAIL LINE THAT, UH, THAT GETS FOLKS INTO DIFFERENT PARTS OF BOSTON. 
          I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JIM, WHO'S GONNA HIGH LEVEL, UH, UPDATE YOU ON THE 
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WORK WE'VE DONE WITH VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          JIM, THANK YOU ANTHONY. 
          UH, AND GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD. 
          MY NAME IS JAMES RAFFI. 
          I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH OFFICES LOCATED AT 9 0 7 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE IN CAMBRIDGE. 
          UH, AND I'M PLEASED TO, UH, BE WORKING WITH MY CO-COUNSEL, ATTORNEY GCIO. 
          AND, UH, TOGETHER, WE'VE, UH, REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND REALLY WHAT REPRESENTS WHAT I BELIEVE MAY BE THE LAST REMAINING UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF CAMBRIDGE. 
          THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CREATE SOMETHING SPECIAL OUT OF WHAT IS CANDIDLY NOT ALL THAT SPECIAL AT THE MOMENT. 
          MOST BOARD MEMBERS ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          YOU MAY BE CUSTOMERS OF IGGY'S BREAD, WHICH ATTRACTS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CAMBRIDGE. 
          BUT AS ONE MEMBER OF THE WORKING GROUP SAID TO ME WHEN WE, WE WERE BRAINSTORMING ABOUT WHAT TO DO HERE IS COMMENT TO ME, DOUG BROWN WAS, YOU SHOULD GIVE US A REASON TO WANT TO GO THERE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S AS GOOD A GUIDING PRINCIPLE AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN THIS MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          FROM THE OUTSET, WE'LL WORK, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH CHOICE BECAUSE SHORTLY AFTER HEALTH PEAK BOUGHT THE LAND, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A MORATORIUM. 
          SO, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FOUND OURSELVES, UH, HAVING TO DEAL WITH, UH, AN IMMINENT ZONING CHANGE, WHICH WE ALWAYS ANTICIPATED. 
          BUT IT REALLY LIKE A LOT OF THINGS, UH, WHILE IT SEEMED LIKE QUITE A CHALLENGE AT THE TIME, IT PROVED TO BE QUITE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE IT LED TO THE CREATION OF A WORKING GROUP PUT TOGETHER BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THAT WORKING GROUP DEVELOPED A PLAN THAT LED TO THE CREATION OF ZONING. 
          THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SEEN THAT ZONING, THEY RECOMMENDED ITS ADOPTION TO THE COUNCIL. 
          AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, WE HAVE CONTINUED. 
          UH, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN PREPARING THE SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION IS IMPLEMENTING THE POLICY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. 
          UH, WE'VE MET WITH ALL THE AGENCIES YOU SEE HERE, AND YOU'RE ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING PEOPLE FROM THESE AGENCIES APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          BUT THIS APPLICATION REALLY IS TRUE MASTER PLANNING. 
          AND THE PREFACE OF, OF THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE, OF COURSE, IS FOR THE DEVELOPER TO, UH, SHARE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS SOME HIGH LEVEL THINKING. 
          WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO AVOID DOING IS TURNING THIS INTO A MINI PLANNING BOARD HEARING ON THE PROJECT. 
          THERE'LL BE AMPLE TIME FOR THAT. 
          WHAT THIS IS, IS REALLY TO DO, AS ANTHONY HAS LAID OUT, THE ROLE THE ZONING CREATED HERE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF MIGHT HAVE OR THE, OR THE PLANNING BOARD MIGHT HAVE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROVISIONS AND THE ORDINANCE AROUND THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE, UM, THEY TALK ABOUT CREATING A DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE PETITIONER, THE DEVELOPER, AND THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS. 
          MOST OF THAT WORK GETS DONE THESE DAYS BY THE STAFF, WHICH IS FAR MORE ENGAGED THAN PERHAPS WAS THE CASE WHEN THE PUD LANGUAGE AND THE ORDINANCE WAS FIRST CREATED. 
          BUT THAT STAFF HAS BEEN, UH, THE SUBJECT OF ONGOING MEETINGS, UH, ON OUR PART. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF MUNICIPAL INTEREST IN THE PROJECT HERE. 
          ONE OF THE UNIQUE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING YOU MAY BE AWARE OF IS THAT, UH, THERE THERE IS A, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR A HEALTH BE THE PETITIONER TO GAIN ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BY PROVIDING LAND FOR A MUNICIPAL PURPOSE. 
          AND, UH, THAT LAND HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH CITY STAFF. 
          THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF THAT RESTS WITH THE CITY. 
          BUT THE, UH, CANDIDLY, THE EXPECTATION DISCUSSION HAS BEEN AROUND A DPW FACILITY, BUT THAT'S NOT A CALL FOR HEALTH, UH, OR PERHAPS MAYBE EVEN, UH, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          I THINK THAT DETERMINATION WILL BE MADE AT, UH, DIFFERENT LEVELS IN CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS ELEMENT ALONE HAS US EARLY ENGAGE WITH DPW. 
          AND THE, THE OVERRIDING ISSUE, AS MOST BOARD MEMBERS KNOW THESE DAYS, DRIVING ALL DEVELOPMENT IS SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND THERE IS SUCH SUSTAINABILITY OPPORTUNITIES HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS A GREAT CHALLENGE, THIS LOCATION, IT REPRESENTS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT IS VERY CHALLENGED IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION OF THE SOIL, THE IMPORTANCE OF CREATING INFRASTRUCTURE, EVERYTHING FROM STORMWATER TO STREETS, SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES. 
          THERE ISN'T MUCH OF THAT OUT THERE TODAY. 
          SO, AS A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER, I'M HOPING YOU'LL FIND THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION INTERESTING TO YOU BECAUSE IT REALLY GOES TO THE HEART OF WHAT YOUR CHARGE IS TO, UH, ASSESS A PLAN, MAKE SURE THE PLAN IS HIGHLIGHTING AND INCORPORATING THE GOALS OF THE ZONING. 
          AND WE PUT TOGETHER A GREAT TEAM, UH, A A DESIGN TEAM THAT 
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THE BOARD IS QUITE FAMILIAR WITH. 
          AND, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED, UH, TO, UH, BEGIN THIS EXERCISE. 
          UH, AS YOU COULD TELL BY RYLAND'S ENTHUSIASM, UM, IT'S HIS FIRST TIME AT THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          UH, ME, NOT SO MUCH, SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I AS ENTHUSIASTIC, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES. 
          UH, BUT I ASSURE RYLAND THAT WHAT HE'S ABOUT TO ENGAGE IN NOW IS REALLY THE HOT OF THE PROCESS. 
          AND, UH, WE WELCOME THE CHANCE TO REALLY LISTEN TONIGHT IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSE TO, WE'VE GOT OUR DRAFT APPLICATION READY, AND WE'RE GONNA BE EAGER TONIGHT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT SEEMS TO NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH WHERE THE BOARD IS, UH, BELIEVING WE SHOULD GO. 
          SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND, UH, TURN IT BACK TO ANTHONY. 
          THANKS, JIM. 
          WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ELMAN, FREDDIE AND DAVID, UH, DAVID, MAN, FREDDIE, AND JOHN MITCHELL. 
          GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, VIC AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          UM, MY NAME IS DAVID, MAN FREDDIE FROM ELMAN, FREDDIE ARCHITECTS. 
          I'M JOINED BY, UH, MY COLLEAGUE, JOHN, UH, MITCHELL. 
          UH, AND PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND, AND, UH, SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. 
          UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THIS AS FAST AS I CAN. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE THE POINT THAT ALL OF OUR PLANNING FROM DAY ONE, UH, HAS REALLY BEEN ROOTED IN, UH, ENVISION L LIFE, WHICH IS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE PLANNING DOCUMENT, UH, WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO TRANSFORM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, LIKE COULD CALL IT HISTORICALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, IT'S A GROUP OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, UH, THAT WERE KIND OF, UM, COBBLED TOGETHER BY, UM, UH, A KIND OF ORGANIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND, UH, THE GOAL WAS TO CREATE A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD, A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A MIX OF USES, WITH A LOGICAL, UH, ORGANIZATION OF, OF STREETS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER, BUT ALSO USE THE SOUTH QUAD AS A WAY, UM, TO CREATE CONNECTIONS NORTH AND SOUTH, WELL BEYOND, UM, THIS SITE. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME VERY SPECIFIC STRATEGIES IN, UH, IN, IN VISION L LIFE. 
          I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THEM, BUT YOU'LL HEAR ME REFERENCE THIS AS I GO THROUGH THESE. 
          UM, UH, ONE OF THE REAL GOALS IS TO USE OPEN SPACE AS A MEANS OF CONNECTIVITY, CONNECTIVITY, EAST, WEST, NORTH, SOUTH, ACROSS THE SITE, BUT AGAIN, WELL BEYOND THE SITE, INTO THE NORTH QUAD, BEYOND TO ALL OF THE, THE OPEN SPACE, UH, RESOURCES TO THE NORTH AND THEN SOUTH, UM, TO FRESH POND. 
          ALSO CREATE AN URBAN GRID OF STREETS, MAYBE NOT AS REGULAR, UH, AS, AS SOME URBAN GRIDS, UM, MAYBE MORE, UM, IDIOSYNCRATIC IN MANY WAYS, BUT MAKE CONNECTIONS. 
          NOT DEAD-ENDED STREETS OR, UH, HALF STREETS, BUT REALLY STREETS THAT CONNECT ONE TO THE OTHER AND BLOCK SIZES, UH, THAT ARE WALKABLE, THAT ARE KIND OF HUMAN SCALE. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, AS, AS, UM, JIM MENTIONED, AND, AND ANTHONY MENTIONED SOME REALLY SPECIFIC PUBLIC BENEFITS, UM, THAT WILL BE AN ATTRACTION. 
          UM, AND, AND NOT JUST FOR, FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL TENANTS, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA LIVE HERE, WHO WANT ACCESS TO ALL OF THOSE, UM, UH, OPEN SPACE BENEFITS, ACCESS TO A PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, AND LIVE IN, IN THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE. 
          IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, I'M GONNA GO, I'M GONNA KIND OF DO A CLOCKWISE, UM, UH, ROTATION, STARTING AT THE BRIDGE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE REALLY SPECIAL THINGS, UM, ALL OF WHICH ARE, ARE KIND OF MANIFESTATIONS OF, OF, UH, THAT ORIGINAL PLANNING DOCUMENT. 
          AND WE'LL START WITH THE BRIDGE, UM, WHICH, UH, THE IDEA OF COURSE IS TO CONNECT THE SOUTH QUAD TO THE NORTH QUAD TO CONNECT THIS ENTIRE EVOLVING NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THROUGH THE NORTH QUAD TO, UH, THE MBTA STATION, AND THEN EVEN BEYOND THAT. 
          BUT TO TAKE WHAT IS TODAY FOR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE TODAY, A 15 MINUTE WALK, WELL OUT OF YOUR WAY, UH, AND TURN IT INTO HALF OF THAT, UH, AND, UH, MAKE ALL OF THIS MORE CONNECTED AND INCREASE RIDERSHIP ON, ON THE T. 
          SECOND WAS THIS IDEA OF A NEW MAIN STREET. 
          THERE IS ONE PLACE ON THIS SITE WHERE WE REALLY CONT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTROL BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET TO, TO TRANSFORM THE GRADE, RAISE THE GRADE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A DOUBLE LOADED STREET, BRING IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO CONCORD AVENUE AND GIVE IT VISIBILITY, NOT JUST, UM, TO, TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, BUT TO EVERYBODY WHO GOES PAST HERE. 
          AND, UM, UH, LINE IT WITH SMALL SHOPS, SMALL RESTAURANTS, UM, MAYBE SMALL MUSIC, UM, 
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ALL INTENDED TO BE A PLACE THAT, UH, WHERE PEOPLE GATHER AND WITH THE FLEXIBILITY TO ACCOMMODATE VEHICLES, BUT ALSO BE CLOSED DOWN. 
          UH, KEEP GOING AROUND THE CLOCK TO SMITH PARK. 
          AND, UM, HEALTHY CONTROLS, A SIGNIFICANT PART OF, OF THE REAL ESTATE HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          AND WHILE THERE'S OTHER OWNERSHIP IN THE MIDDLE, UM, THE POINT IS, THIS IS THE OLD RAIL SPUR, AND THIS IS THE RAIL SPUR. 
          THIS IS THE PARK THAT CAN LEAD FROM, UH, THE BRIDGE, UH, ALL AND, AND NORTH QUAD ACROSS THE, THE RAIL TRACKS ALL THE WAY OVER TO CONCORD AVENUE AND THEN INTO FRESH POND. 
          AND SO THE BIG IDEA, OF COURSE, IS REACH OUT BEYOND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, NOT TO CREATE AN ENCLOSED PLACE, BUT TO, TO CREATE A PLACE THAT EXPANDS BEYOND ITSELF. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT DPW, THE COMMITMENT TO, UH, A, A MINIMUM ONE ACRE SITE THAT WILL BE THE NEW DPW YARD AND OFFICES, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE GATEWAY, WHICH IS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, THAT WE'VE STUDIED AT GREAT LENGTH TO CREATE OPEN SPACE, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, UM, TO SHAPE IT IN A WAY THAT, THAT, UM, YOU ARE INVITED FROM THE WEST, YOU'RE INVITED FROM THE EAST, YOU'RE INVITED IF YOU WORK HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND, AND LIVE HERE. 
          AND ALSO AS A, A, A KEY PART OF OUR STRATEGY FOR, UM, FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS PLAN BEFORE, UM, AND WE CONTINUE TO EVOLVE IT, BUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS PART OF THAT, UH, ORIGINAL, UM, UH, PUD IS REALLY STILL HERE. 
          WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS JUST TO SHOW YOU, UH, AND, AND ANTHONY RAN THROUGH THIS, UH, THAT SPLIT OF, OF 60, BASICALLY 60% COMMERCIAL, 40% RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, THE YELLOW REPRESENTS RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, UM, SOME WITH GREAT VIEWS, THE, THE FRESH POND, UM, COMMERCIAL, UH, IN THE, IN THE CENTER HERE AND OUR NEW MAIN STREET AND THE YELLOW STRETCHING WEST. 
          AND THE GOAL IS INTEGRATE THESE USES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU SEE THE, THE BUILDINGS THAT PINK EDGES, UH, ARE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          YOU SEE THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH HOW STREETS THAT DID NOT CONNECT. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CONNECTIONS AND PATHWAYS THAT DID NOT CONNECT. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO REALLY CONNECT THOSE NOW AND MAKE THOSE SIGNIFICANT KINDS OF CONNECTIONS. 
          WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. 
          WE HAVEN'T MADE EVERY CONNECTION. 
          UM, BUT EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN COLOR IS REAL ESTATE, UM, THAT IS CONTROLLED BY HEALTH BIG, AND A LOT OF IT IS CONTINUOUS. 
          AND YOU SEE THE BUILDING HEIGHTS. 
          AND, UM, ANTHONY MENTIONED THE, THE, UH, ALLOWABLE HEIGHTS AND THEN THE BONUS ADDITIONAL FLOOR, UM, FOR THAT, UM, INVENTORY OF, OF IMPORTANT PUBLIC BENEFITS. 
          AND SO THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS NOT ALL THE SAME, BUT HEIGHTS UP TO 155 FEET IN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UH, NOT ALL THE SAME AGAIN, BUT, UH, HEIGHTS TO 140 FEET. 
          THIS IS MY FAVORITE DRAWING IN THIS WHOLE DECK, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY TELLS THE STORY OF, OF WHAT, UM, CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED HERE. 
          UH, THERE'S THE BIG CONNECTIONS NORTH SOUTH, UH, THAT GO, UH, TO, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE MIDDLEMAN TRAIL CAN TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY ON A BIKE TO, TO NORTH STATION OR ALL THE WAY WEST TO, TO LEXINGTON, UM, ACROSS THE, THE BRIDGE, UH, ALONG SMITH PARK AND THE OLD RAIL SPUR PARK, AND THEN ACROSS CONCORD AND INTO AND INTO, UH, UH, FRESH POND, A CONNECTION, WHICH JUST DOESN'T EXIST TODAY. 
          YOU GOTTA GO AROUND, UH, YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH. 
          AND THEN THE, THE CONNECTIONS ALONG THE, UH, UH, MULTI-USE CONNECTIONS ALONG, UH, THE, THE EDGE OF THE RAIL, THE INTERNAL CONNECTIONS, EAST AND WEST AND NORTH AND SOUTH, I THINK THESE ARE EXACTLY THE RED DASH LINES THAT, AT LEAST IN THE, THOSE PARTS OF THE, OF THE PARCELS THAT A LIFE CONTROLS ARE EXACTLY WHAT WAS INTENDED BY, UH, ENVISION A LIFE. 
          AND THEN OPEN SPACE IN GREEN SPACE, UH, THAT IS, UM, PUBLICLY BENEFICIAL SPACE THAT INCLUDES THOSE, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, UH, THE NORTH END, I'LL CALL IT IN THE SOUTH END OF, OF THIS PARK THAT WILL GET FILLED IN, UM, WHEN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BY OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE ABILITY TO REALLY REINVENT 
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THESE STRAIGHT STREETS, FAUCET AND MOLTEN, BUT, BUT, UH, ADD, UH, A NEW STREET OF A DIFFERENT SCALE AND, AND, UH, UH, THIS CONTINUOUS EDGE OF, OF ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN USES THAT WILL ENGAGE PEDESTRIANS AND THEN EVEN MORE GREEN SPACE UP IN THIS NORTHWEST QUADRANT, MOVING MOONEY OUT TO THE EDGE. 
          AND AS, AS ANTHONY SAID, UH, LOCATING OUR COMMERCIAL USES UP AGAINST, UH, THE RAIL. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE IDEA OF, OF, UH, AGAIN, MENTIONED BY, BY PREDECESSORS HERE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD USES. 
          AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS, UM, THE INVENTORY OF RETAIL, DINING, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, THE POSSIBILITY AND, AND THE EXPECTATION THAT THIS WILL GROW OVER TIME. 
          AND SO THAT IT CONNECTS ALL THE WAY FROM CONCORD AVE, UH, UP TO WILSON, THROUGH THE PARK, UM, TO, TO THE FOOT OF THE BRIDGE AND, UM, THE, UH, EVEN INTO IGGYS AND, AND, UH, AND MAYBE, UH, AT SOME POINT DOWN FAUCET STREET WITH SOME, WITH SOME OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL, GIVEN THE, THE EVENTUAL POPULATION HERE, UH, WORK POPULATION HERE THAT SUPPORT, UH, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD USES IN THAT NORTHWEST CORNER. 
          UM, SHARE WITH YOU SOME, SOME RENDERINGS THAT, UM, MANY OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN BEFORE. 
          UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING MAIN STREET. 
          IT'LL GET ANOTHER NAME, UH, AT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          BUT, UM, THE POINT IS A STREET WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS ARE PRIMARY, EVEN WHEN THERE ARE VEHICLES, UH, THAT THERE IS, UM, A VERY WIDE SIDEWALK, UH, THAT IS INTENDED TO BE USED BY PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY TRANSACTION REQUIRED. 
          I DON'T HAVE TO, I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A CUP OF COFFEE. 
          UH, THIS IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE ALL THE TIME, UH, WITH ACTIVE EDGES THAT ARE CONTINUOUS ALONG THAT STREET. 
          AND THEN WITH OUR, OUR, UM, COMMERCIAL USES ABOVE, AND YOU'RE LOOKING BEYOND ACTUALLY, UH, TO WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, WHICH IS ON SITE, UH, R TWO. 
          AND THE IDEA THAT WE CAN CLOSE THAT STREET, UH, WHETHER WE CLOSE IT EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, UH, LIKE MEMORIAL DRIVE, OR WE CLOSE IT IN SUMMERTIME, UH, OR WE CLOSE IT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, FOOD FAIRS AND ART FAIRS AND BOOK FAIRS AND, AND PLAY, UH, FAIRS OF ALL KINDS. 
          UM, IT HAS ALL OF THE DIMENSIONALITY TO DO THAT. 
          UH, AGAIN, THE PEDESTRIAN BEING, BEING, UH, PRIMARY AND THEN A VIEW. 
          AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN POINTING OUT AS WE WENT ALONG. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE KEY PLAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS SEE WHERE WE'RE STANDING, UM, HERE, WHERE STANDING ON, UH, SMITH, LOOKING WEST, UH, THROUGH THAT GREEN SPACE, UH, WITH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE ON YOUR LEFT. 
          AND YOU'RE LOOKING BEYOND, UH, THIS BUILDING BEYOND. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS MAKE IT DON'T MAKE THE PORTAL SMALL, MAKE THE PORTALS BIG, MAKE THEM OPEN AND INVITING, AND THEY LEAD SOMEWHERE. 
          THE PATHS LEAD SOMEWHERE THAT LEADS ON TO, UH, TO MORE, MORE, UH, UH, OPEN SPACE, UM, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, UM, TO THE WEST. 
          THIS IS A RENDERING WE DID LAST NIGHT. 
          UM, WE WERE INSPIRED OF COURSE, UM, BY THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT, UM, THIS IS, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'VE, UH, TURNED THE CORNER, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING EAST, UH, NOW, UH, ALONG, UH, THE EXTENSION OF, OF, UH, OF FAUCET OR SMITH AND, UH, TO THE, THE DIVERSITY OF SCALE IN THE BUILDINGS, UH, OF, OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, UM, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON ONE TWENTY FIVE FAUCET. 
          WE CALL THIS R TWO. 
          UM, THIS IS FAUCET STREET, OBVIOUSLY, UH, IN, IS RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, THE BRIDGE WOULD BE EVENTUALLY UP HERE TO THE NORTH. 
          AND COUPLE, JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT. 
          THE WHITE REPRESENTS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS, ALL OF THE PUBLIC REALM IMPROVEMENTS ON, UH, THE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT WE CONTROL, INCLUDING A LANDSCAPE ZONE, A, UH, A SEPARATED BIKE ZONE, A SECOND LANDSCAPE ZONE SIDEWALK, AND THEN THIS RAISED, UM, PORCH, WE'LL CALL IT. 
          AND THAT'S ALL ABOUT RESILIENCY. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE, WHEREVER WE CAN, UH, TO AVOID SOME OF THE MISTAKES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN UNDERESTIMATING THE IMPACT OF, OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND, AND THE NEED FOR RESILIENCY. 
          SO WE'RE RAISING THIS ELEVATION. 
          UH, IT WILL HAVE RETAIL ON ITS EDGE, ITS BUILDING ENTRANCE WILL BE HERE. 
          UM, THE ENTRANCE TO, TO PARKING WILL BE HERE, BUT, UH, IT WILL BRING US UP, UH, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE'S A RESTAURANT IN THIS CORNER, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT. 
          AND YOU'LL BE LOOKING OUT ONTO, 
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UM, THAT GREEN SPACE, THAT PATHWAY, UM, THAT WILL TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY, UM, TO, TO THE SOUTH TO TO CONCORD APP. 
          THESE ARE GREEN SPACES THAT ARE ON AN ELEVATED LEVEL ABOVE OUR PARKING. 
          SO THESE ARE GREEN SPACES THAT ARE, UM, AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE GLOBAL. 
          AND THIS IS, UM, A VIEW. 
          NOW, I'M, I'VE JUST CROSSED, UM, UH, FAUCET. 
          AND, UH, GG IS OVER HERE TO MY LEFT. 
          THIS IN THIS DRAWING IS TO MY RIGHT. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S, THAT'S THE PORCH. 
          UH, AND THAT GETS US TO AN ELEVATION WHERE, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AS WELL AS THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENCE IS ALL SECURED. 
          UM, AND, BUT THE GREEN SPACE DOWN AT STREET LEVEL, AND, AND YOU'RE KIND OF AT A SLIGHTLY ELEVATED LEVEL, ALL HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE, BUT THE IDEA THAT, UM, WE WANT, WE WANT, UH, THE RETAIL AND, AND RESTAURANTS ON, ON, UH, FAUCET, BUT WE ALSO WANT 'EM KIND OF TURNING THIS CORNER AS AN INVITATION, UH, INTO THAT, INTO THAT PATHWAY THAT WE'LL BRING IT DOWN TO CONCORD. 
          SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THE DAY COMES WHEN WE HAVE A RESTAURANT OR TWO RESTAURANTS HERE WITH OUTDOOR SEATING THAT LOOKED DOWN ON THAT GREEN SPACE AND, AND, UH, THE FRONT FLOOR OF THAT PARK. 
          UM, THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. 
          I THINK WE STAYED TO OUR 30 MINUTES. 
          UH, I WAS SCOLDED BY, BY MR. GUCCIO FOR SPEAKING TOO LONG AT AN EARLIER MEETING. 
          UH, AND SO I'VE BEEN VERY MINDFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, DAVID. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, AND I, I THINK FOR ONCE RAFFERTY'S MORE GUILTY THAN YOU, DAVID. 
          SO YOU'RE ON HOOK , MR. CHAIR, OPEN TO QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION FOR, FROM US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK YOU DID STAY PRETTY CLOSE TO TIME, UH, GIVEN THE, THE INTERRUPTION WITH THE ECHO. 
          SO, UM, SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'LL GO TO BOARD DISCUSSION. 
          UH, ARE THERE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT BOARD MEMBERS HAVE OR COMMENTS? ASHLEY, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I HAD A FEW CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, AND THE ANSWER MAY BE, UM, THE TEAM DOESN'T KNOW YET, BUT I, FIRST OF ALL, I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT, UM, THE TEAM WAS THINKING ABOUT FOR PHASING , JUST 'CAUSE WE CAME OFF, THE PRIOR AGENDA ITEM, YOU KNOW, WAS A PROJECT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF MARKET CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN POSTPONED, UM, A FEW TIMES. 
          SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS A THOUGHT ABOUT PHASING. 
          UM, AND THEN MORE SPECIFICALLY, I WAS STRUGGLING A BIT TO READ THE, UH, CONNECTION PLAN. 
          SO HOW I READ IT WAS THAT THE BRIDGE WOULD ONLY BE BIKE ONLY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? AND IS THERE A THOUGHT OF, UM, MAKING IT MULTI-USE? AND THEN IN THE REVERSE, I'M READING, UH, LIKE THE CONNECTIONS THROUGH FAUCET NEW MAIN, AND, UM, I CAN'T SEE THE OTHER ONE. 
          UM, IS IT MOLTEN STREET TO BE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ONLY? AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S THOUGHTS OF HAVING ONE OF THEM BE, HAVE BY CONNECTION AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION MAY BE A, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T, MAY NOT KNOW, BUT I RECALL ON OUR LAST UTILITY MEETING FROM 2025 AT THIS POINT, EVEREST SOURCE WAS MENTIONING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE UPDATING THE, UM, SUBSTATION, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY RIGHT OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT AFFECT ANY OF THE BUILDINGS? UM, AND YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MR. CHAIR. 
          DO YOU WANT US TO NIP AWAY AT THESE AS WE GO? I THINK THAT'S THE, THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT A BIT OF A DIALOGUE HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AS, AS QUESTIONS ARE RAISED QUICKLY AND JUST, UM, MEMBER TAN THE PHASING IS, IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA COME LATER AS PART OF A DECISION, BUT THE ZONING IS, IS PR PRETTY INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN WHEN, SO THERE ARE SOME BIG BENCHMARKS WITHIN THE ZONING WHEN, WHEN THE BRIDGE HAS TO, UH, BEGIN CONSTRUCTION, UM, WHEN RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION HAS TO BEGIN. 
          AND ALSO, AS WE INDICATED, THERE'S, THERE'S HEIGHT TIED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS, UM, CONVEYANCE OR THE, OR THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE CONVEYANCE. 
          WE ARE WORKING WITH STAFF, UM, ON SOME OF THE MORE DETAIL AND THE NUANCES OF PHASING IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH. 
          UM, 
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BUT THOSE THINGS ARE PRETTY WELL EMBEDDED IN THE ZONING. 
          UM, AND RYLAND, I KNOW YOU'LL SPEAK AT SOME POINT, YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT THE, THE BRIDGE IS INTENDED, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING, WHICH REQUIRES BOTH A BIKE AND A PAD CONNECTION. 
          SO IT IT IS, IT IS, IT IS FOR ALL TRAVELERS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S DEPICTED, UH, LITERALLY IN THE ZONING. 
          DAVID, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANT TO, AS JIM INDICATED, WE'RE WE'VE WORKED, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING, WE DILIGENTLY WITH BOTH DESIGN STAFF, WHICH WE'RE MEETING, UH, OFFLINE AND WITHIN LARGER MEETINGS, BUT WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND WITH PLANNING STAFF AROUND THE CONNECTION ISSUES AND ALSO TRAFFIC. 
          BUT DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE CONNECTION QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK I, I, OUR DRAWING ACTUALLY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, INCOMPLETE. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE THE, THE BRIDGE IS PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES, UH, AND, UH, ALL OF IT THAT WE CONTROL. 
          UM, THIS WILL ALL BE, UH, MULTIMODAL, MEANING PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES. 
          UH, I'M SURE THIS WILL BE WHEN IT'S FILLED IN BY OTHERS. 
          AND THEN AGAIN HERE, UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS BIKES, UH, BRINGING YOU OUT TO, TO, UM, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. 
          AND AS YOU SAW IN THAT, UM, IN THE, THE DRAWING ON R TWO, WE DO HAVE, UH, BIKE LANES HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          WE DON'T CONTROL THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          AND THEN ON THE, UH, THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER SOLID LINE HERE, UH, FOR SEPARATED BIKE LANES ON, ON, UH, FAUCET STREET AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN TO TOUCH REAL QUICK ON THE PHASING, I MEAN, ANTHONY HIT IT PERFECTLY. 
          THE WAY WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PHASING RIGHT NOW IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING, BUT FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY. 
          IF YOU WOULD'VE ASKED ME FIVE YEARS AGO, I SAID, WE STARTED ON ALL THE LAB RIGHT NOW AND WE GET GOING IMMEDIATELY , BUT RIGHT NOW WITH THE LAB ENVIRONMENT, HOW IT CURRENTLY IS, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS QUITE CHALLENGING. 
          UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PURSUING DESIGN REVIEW ON THE R TWO BUILDING AS DAVID MENTIONED. 
          AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT NECESSARILY, UM, SINCE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IS QUITE DIFFICULT, BUT WE JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COSTS ARE. 
          SO IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET OF, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT TO THIS STORY, THIS HEIGHT, UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING OUT WHAT THAT PRO FORMA LOOKS LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ECONOMIC RETURNS ARE. 
          SO WHILE IT IS DIFFICULT, WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO A CORRECT ANSWER AND A TRUE ANSWER SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REGARDING PHASED. 
          OKAY. 
          ASHLEY, DOES THAT, UH, ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS? UM, YES. 
          MOSTLY I THINK FOR PHASING, I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, AND FRANKLY THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAW THE ZONING WAS A WHILE BACK, SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, CAN SOMEONE PROVIDE A REFRESH ON, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BRIDGE WAS A PRIORITY AND THEN IS THE MAIN STREET NEXT? I JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T REMEMBER. 
          WELL, UH, MR. CHAIR, IT, IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THE, THE APPLICATION ITSELF THAT THE BOARD WILL BE SEEING IN SHORT AIR, SHORT ORDER DOES CONTAIN A PHASING PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO, SO, UH, IT'S BEEN THE SUBJECT DISCUSSION, BUT IS NOTED BY MR. SQUIRREL. 
          MARKET FACTORS ARE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST FACTOR. 
          THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT PLAYER HERE. 
          UH, SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ENCUMBERED WITH LEASES. 
          SO, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY, SO CERTAIN PROPERTIES BECOME AVAILABLE WHEN THOSE LEASES BURN OFF. 
          SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF ECONOMIC FACTORS. 
          UH, SO THE PLACES THAT WE LOOK TO INITIALLY ARE PLACES WHERE THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEAR TERM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS FORMING AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE, UH, THE PHASING PLAN. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH A, UM, A CHALLENGING, UH, FINANCIAL ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO THAT'S, I SHOULDN'T UNDER, UH, STATE THE IMPACT THE ECONOMY WILL HAVE. 
          UH, BUT IT, THE THINKING NOW IS THE LIKELY EARLY DEVELOPMENT HERE WILL BE RESIDENTIAL. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S GET INTO THAT. 
          UH, ASHLEY, IF YOU AGREE, WHEN THE APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD AT THE NEXT STAGE, UH, WE'LL GET SOME MORE FOCUS ON THAT. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, DIEGO. 
          HI. 
          UM, TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ONE IS THE, UH, MAIN STREET, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS EVER ANY DISCUSSION ON MAKING THAT JUST A TRULY PEDESTRIAN, UH, AREA. 
          AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, IF DISCUSSIONS HAVE COME ACROSS ABOUT SORT OF THE CONNECTIONS TO THE FRESH POND, PEDESTRIAN BIKE LANES ON THE SOUTH 
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SIDE, AND IF THERE'S GONNA BE JUST USING THE EXISTING CONNECTIONS OR THERE GONNA BE ANY NEW ONES. 
          IS THAT IT DIEGO? UH, YEAH. 
          OH, SO I, I WILL, 'CAUSE I HAVE, UM, PERSONAL EXCITEMENT ABOUT A POTENTIAL CONNECTION AT TERMINAL ROAD, AND THE BOARD HAS PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT THAT FROM AN EXPLORATORY NATURE IN THE PAST, WHICH WOULD GET FOLKS CONNECTED TO, UM, THE, WHAT WE CALL THE TRADER JOE'S MARKET WITHOUT, UM, NAVIGATING DUMPSTERS AND FENCES AND, AND WEIRDNESS. 
          THE CITY HAS, THE CITY HAS UNDERGONE ANALYSIS. 
          UM, ONE OF MY PRI PREVIOUS CLIENTS THAT WHEN WE DEVELOPED 55 WHEELER ALLOCATED SOME MONEY FOR DESIGN, AS FOLKS MAY KNOW, EVERSOURCE IS THE PRIMARY LANDOWNER THERE, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME COOPERATION FROM EVERSOURCE. 
          UM, BUT I, I'VE HEARD FROM THE CITY THAT THERE'S STILL A COMMITMENT TO TRY TO GET AT LEAST A BIKE AND PAD CONNECTION THERE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH, WITH THE CITY, WE SUPPORT IT. 
          UH, WE'RE HOPING THE CITY CAN USE SOME LEVERAGE WITH EVERSOURCE TO, UM, UH, TO GET, TO GET THAT DONE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT PIECE DOWN ALONG THE, UM, THAT, THAT EDGE THAT I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          DAVID, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, YEAH, I, WE, YOU KNOW WHAT, DAVID, WE, WE HAVEN'T PROBABLY HIGHLIGHTED THE MULTI-USE PATH EITHER, UM, WHICH IS A, AN EXCITING, UM, POTENTIAL AMENITY THAT WE SH YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT WANNA, UH, CIRCLE BACK TO RIGHT NOW TO, AND TALK ABOUT HOW THAT RELATES TO THE, UM, THE EDGE. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP. 
          SEE, WHERE DO I, I SHOULD GO. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE, UH, POTENTIAL MULTI-USE PATH ALONG THE, THE, THE RAIL, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU JUST MORE CONNECTIVITY EAST, WEST, BUT ALSO OBVIOUSLY BRING YOU UNDER THE BRIDGE, UH, AND, AND HAD YOU DRAW TO ALL THE, THE RECREATION SPACES TO THE EAST. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS IN THERE WAS A REALLY GOOD ONE, I YOU ASKED, UM, UH, ABOUT MAKING THIS PURELY PEDESTRIAN. 
          AND THE, THE REALITY IS, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE CREATING A BRAND NEW RETAIL ENVIRONMENT, UM, THE TENANTS NEED CARS. 
          UM, THEY NEED THE VISIBILITY THAT COME WITH CARS AND, UM, AND, AND PARALLEL PARKING. 
          NOT THAT THERE'S VERY MUCH PARALLEL PARKING, BUT IT, YOU ALWAYS HAVE IN YOUR HEAD THE, THE, THE, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S, UM, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          THE GRAB A SPACE ON THE STREET AND RUN AND DO AN ERRAND, UH, TO MAKE IT PURELY PEDESTRIAN WITHOUT THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF, OF, OF RETAIL USES, UM, REALLY PUTS THE, THE TENANTS AT A DISADVANTAGE NOW TO CLOSE IT FOR A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY TO CLOSE IT EVERY SATURDAY, EVEN, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT EFFECT, BUT TO SAY IT'S PERMANENTLY CLOSED. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DIEGO. 
          DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS AT THIS POINT, OR YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          DAN, I BELIEVE YOU WERE NEXT IN THE QUEUE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, SO A A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, UH, AND, AND MAYBE SOME COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, ZONING DIAGRAM AND THEN THE BUILDING HEIGHTS. 
          SO FIRST QUESTION IS, UM, I SEE, UM, 12 STORY 145 FEET, UM, BUT I SEE BUILDINGS THAT ARE INDICATED AT 155 FEET. 
          SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S ANY, UM, HOW, HOW YOU'RE ALIGNING BUILDING HEIGHTS WITH, UH, THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS AS WE STEP DOWN. 
          CLEARLY, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL HEIGHTS ARE, UM, 12 STORIES, AND I UNDERSTAND 145 FEET FROM THE ZONING DIAGRAM. 
          UH, BUT I'M SEEING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AT LISTED HERE AT 155 FEET. 
          UH, IS THAT RAISING UP ABOVE ANY POTENTIAL FLOOD LEVEL, WHICH GIVES US SOME BENEFIT? UM, SO THERE'S A QUESTION THERE FOR ZONING AND BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          UM, THE OTHER, AND THERE'S A LOT OF APPRECIATION, PARTICULARLY FOR ATTORNEY RAFFERTY'S ENTHUSIASM ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY HERE. 
          THE GREEN SPACE AND CONNECTIVITY ARE, ARE AWESOME. 
          SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL, UH, PEPPER MY QUESTIONS WITH SOME, UH, SOME COMMENTARY. 
          UM, THE, UM, CONNECTIVITY IS PARTICULARLY GREAT, BUT BACK TO, TO QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE DISTRIBUTION OF HOUSING, I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, PLACEMENT AND WHY. 
          UM, IN SOME WAYS I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, MAYBE MORE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY 
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RATHER THAN THINGS SPREAD OUT, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A GREAT RATIONALE HERE FOR IT. 
          UM, THE, UM, UM, LAST QUESTION AND MAYBE, UM, OR COMMENT IS, IS AROUND, UM, THE, THE SORT OF QUAD AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT BACK UP IN THE, UH, THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER AND, AND OPEN SPACE UM, IT, I GUESS THERE'S A QUESTION IN THERE ABOUT, UM, ACTIVE OPEN SPACE IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THINGS LIKE, UM, CONSIDERING BASKETBALL COURT OR PICKLEBALL OR THINGS THAT ARE, ARE MORE, UM, SOCIAL IN NATURE RATHER THAN JUST CELEBRATORY. 
          UM, WE GET TOGETHER FOR, YOU KNOW, RETAIL OR FOR AN EVENT. 
          UM, BUT OTHER THINGS THAT ARE, ARE SUPPORTIVE, UH, TO, UM, TO THE KIND OF RESIDENTIAL LIFE HERE AND, AND MAYBE OFFICE AS WELL. 
          UM, HEALTH PEAK IS, HAS, UH, HAS A HISTORY OF THAT ACROSS THE TRACKS WHERE THERE'S SOME, UM, NOW PUTTING IN SOME, SOME COURTS AND, UM, SO JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE VIBRANCY IN THIS AT MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. 
          UM, UM, AND THEN THE, THE LAST PIECE IS REALLY MORE OF A COMMENT AT THAT QUADRANGLE, UM, THE BUILDING. 
          I THINK THAT RUNS KIND OF EAST WEST. 
          I'M CURIOUS IF, IF IT WERE ORIENTED NORTH SOUTH, UM, ALONG, I THINK IT'S SMITH PLACE, UH, W COULD IT OPEN UP A KIND OF LARGER SOUTH FACING, UM, UM, SPACE. 
          EVEN THOUGH I THINK DAVID SPOKE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT OPENING UP A LARGER, UM, PIECE. 
          YOU KIND OF HAVE A PATHWAY THAT STARTS AT SMITH PLACE AND ENDS IN THE CUL-DE-SAC IF THAT GOT NECKED DOWN. 
          BUT THE LARGER CONNECTION WERE MORE, UM, OPEN TO THE SOUTH WITH THAT LOWER LEFT HAND BUILDING ROTATED 90 DEGREES. 
          UH, COULD YOU OPEN UP THAT GREEN SPACE TO PROVIDE EVEN MORE, UM, UM, ATTRACTIVE, UM, URBAN OUTDOOR SPACE? SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR MINE. 
          OH, LAST ONE. 
          UM, PARKING GARAGES. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEM. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, BUILDING TYPES THAT WRAP RESIDENTIAL AROUND PARKING. 
          UH, THINK DAVID IS FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. 
          I'M CURIOUS WHETHER, UM, RATHER THAN THEM STANDING ALONE, MAY, COULD THEY BE, UM, INTEGRATED MORE WITH RESIDENTIAL, UH, IF THEY'RE INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE OR IF THEY'RE INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL USE. 
          AND THEN VERY LASTLY, UM, THE BUILDINGS ALONG WHEELER PLACE, UH, ARE REALLY QUITE LOVELY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THEIR CURVES AND ENGAGEMENT WITH INTERIOR COURTYARDS. 
          UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THAT KIND OF VOCABULARY. 
          I REALIZE THIS IS MASTER PLANNING. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE ARCHITECT IN ME SPEAKING TO SAY, UM, THERE REALLY COULD BE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, LESS RECTILINEAR FORMS. SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I CAN SORT OF, IF I CAN JUST MODERATE A LITTLE, AND WHAT I HAVE IS, UM, SORT LOCATION OF THE, OF THE, OF THE DISPARATE USES, UH, MEMBER ANDERSON, THE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. 
          UM, YOU HAVE, UH, OBVIOUSLY A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, PARKING. 
          UM, BUT I WANNA, I WANNA JUST GO BACK AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JIM AND I REITERATED THIS, THE, THE, A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE COMES FROM THE, THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY MR. CHAIR, YOU'LL RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY ALONG THE TRACKS FOR COMMERCIAL WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A REMINDER OF, OF THE CAMBRIDGE CROSSING EXPERIENCE WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU CREATE LAB FOOTPRINTS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE? YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR REGION, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOT UP AS AS COMPETITIVE WITH PLACES LIKE KENDALL, BUT REALLY YOU'RE COMPETING WITH WATERTOWN WALL AND MARKET. 
          SO WHERE CAN WE GET DENSITY THAT ALLOWS FOR COMPETITIVE FOOTPRINTS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY GET INTEREST FROM TENANTS? THAT ALSO IS, IS, IS, IS MOST, UM, ACCOMMODATING TO, TO, TO, UM, THE, THE COMMUNITY AND, AND WHERE THAT SORT OF DENSITY BELONGS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON GETTING THAT COMMERCIAL DENSITY THERE. 
          UM, ALSO MEMBER ANDERSON, THERE'S, THERE'S A CERTAIN REALITY, THERE'S THE COMMERCIAL COMPETITIVENESS REALITY, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE REALITY OF WHAT THE QUAD IS NOW. 
          AND LIFE AT THE QUAD REALLY EXISTS AROUND ALL THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY HAS FOSTERED. 
          I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN WE CREATED THE BIG RESIDENTIAL INCENTIVES IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS, WHICH RESULTED IN GREAT RESIDENTIAL, UM, INVESTMENT, WHICH I THINK THE CITY SHOULD, DOESN'T TAKE ENOUGH BOWS FOR, BUT AS, AS RYLAND INDICATED, WHERE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IF IT PENCILS OUT AND CAN MEET, YOU KNOW, UH, COST CHALLENGES IS, IS 
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ADJACENT TO WHERE THOSE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, UM, COMMUNITIES EXIST NOW. 
          SO GIVEN THE THE LAB MARKET, WE, WE THINK THE LIFE IS GONNA BEGIN AROUND WHERE THAT RESIDENTIAL POTENTIAL BUILDING IS AND WHERE THE BRIDGE IS PROPOSED. 
          AS HAS BEEN SAID, WE HAVE EXISTING LEASES AROUND THAT NEW MAIN STREET, WHICH INITIALLY JIM AND I THOUGHT WERE LESS THAN EXCITING BECAUSE WE WERE LOCKED INTO LEASES THERE. 
          BUT GIVEN THE COMMERCIAL ECONOMY, WE'RE ACTUALLY VERY THANKFUL TO HAVE THAT INCOME, UH, FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE LEASES SO THAT HEALTH PEAK CAN STAY COMMITTED TO THE, UM, TO THE LONGER VISION. 
          BUT AGAIN, I JUST, WHAT YOU SEE IN TERMS OF USES IS, IS, IS REALLY AN OUT, UH, IS IS AN OUTGROWTH OF THE ORIGINAL PLANNING PROCESS AND ALSO SORT OF ECONOMIC REALITIES AND THE REALITIES OF WHAT'S THERE NOW. 
          UM, I DIDN'T, UM, THAT THE, THAT I DO WANNA INDICATE THAT, THAT, THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER ZONING. 
          UM, WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE THOSE RESIDENTIAL HEIGHTS BECAUSE WE WANT MORE HOUSING AND, AND WE, WE GET THE MESSAGE ABOUT HOUSING, WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT. 
          AND WITH OR WITHOUT THE LAB MARKET SOARING, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO GET SOME RESIDENTIAL, UH, MOVING. 
          BUT DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, SORT OF THE LAYOUT AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY REAL, REAL QUICK? YEAH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT WE'RE ABLE TO GET AN ADDITIONAL STORY ON TOP OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS FOR THE CONVEYANCE OF THE DPW SITE. 
          SO WHERE YOU'RE SEEING 155 FEET IN THESE HEIGHTS, WHEREAS IN THE ZONING IT'S LESS RESIDENTIAL. 
          THAT'S WHERE THAT SPECIFICALLY COMES FROM. 
          THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT, THAT HELPS ON THAT QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THIS BUILDING. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING IN ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE OPEN SPACE RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH, UH, URBAN DESIGN STAFF WITH, WITH, UH, ERIC KELSON ABOUT WHETHER YOU ME, YOU MENTIONED CHANGING THE ORIENTATION, SO THERE'S BIGGER OPENING TO THE SOUTH. 
          WE, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT IF THAT BUILDING SHOULD SLIDE EAST, UH, WOULD HAVE SIMILAR KIND OF IMPACT. 
          UM, IS THIS THE, UH, UH, OR DOES THIS, UH, SOME PART OF THE BASE OF THIS BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE AMENITY FOR BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS FOR, FOR TENANTS, UH, SLIPPED OUT INTO THAT CORNER AS WELL? SO THAT'S, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS A MASTER PLAN. 
          THOSE, THOSE, UM, THE BUILDINGS ARE PRETTY SIMPLE IN THEIR FOOTPRINTS AND, UH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL EVOLVE OVER TIME. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU ON, ON, UH, THE CONFIGURATION AND, AND THE, THE KIND OF PLASTICITY OF SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS. 
          IT'S REALLY QUITE NICE. 
          UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN PATH AND THE BUILDINGS SHAPES THE PATH AND THE PATH SHAPES THE BUILDING. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WILL COME WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY DESIGNING BUILDINGS. 
          SOME OF THE, THE, OUR, OUR GOAL WAS TO INTEGRATE THE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THIS PART OF THE PLAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          BUT SOME OF THE SITES, FRANKLY, ARE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE PARCEL ACCOMMODATES BEST, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL, LIKE YOU CAN DO 12,000, 15,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINTS, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMERCIAL WORLD WANTS TO BE 35,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. 
          SO ON SOME OF THESE SITES THAT'S YOU, YOU LOOK AT HOW THE SITE, UM, FITS THE, FITS THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, BUT IN SOME PLACES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO LOCATE HOUSING WHERE, UH, WE THINK THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, POPULAR BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE BRIDGE AND CONNECTION. 
          I HAVE A SEVEN MINUTE WALK TO THE T THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND, UH, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SITE COULD ACCOMMODATE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, BUT WE THINK IT, IT'S, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IT WILL HAVE RETAIL AT ITS SPACE. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS REALLY, THE GROUND FLOORS ARE, ARE A BIG CHUNK OF THE GROUND. 
          FLOORS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE USES ABOVE. 
          AND SO THEY END UP BEING NOT NOT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SPACES WITH A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING YOU CAN CARVE OUT THOSE KINDS OF RETAIL SPACES. 
          SO WE THOUGHT THE FOOT OF THAT, THAT CONNECTION THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE'RE LOOKING FOR INTEGRATION, UM, UH, LARGELY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW CITIES HAVE EVOLVED, UH, THAT SOME OF THE BEST CITIES AND, AND, AND HOW SOME OF THE BEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN, IN CAMBRIDGE HAVE EVOLVED. 
          NOT WITH, NOT WITH 
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SINGLE USE KINDS OF PRECINCTS, BUT MULTIPLE USE. 
          FOR INSTANCE, YOU GET HOW DIVERSE, YOU KNOW, DIVERSE USES ATTRACT DIVERSE PEOPLE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S A HEALTHY THING. 
          UH, THAT, THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL. 
          I DON'T MEAN TO TO HIJACK THE CONVERSATION EITHER 'CAUSE I HAVE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT VERY QUICKLY, DID YOU CONSIDER ANY KIND OF ACTIVE USE PIECES IN TERMS OF PROGRAMMING? UM, AND, UM, I GUESS, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, JUST THE, UM, THE DISTRIBUTION, I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC, UM, UM, SIZES AND SHAPES THAT WORK. 
          AND I, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THIS, BUT I MEAN, MAYBE, UH, ALONG THE MAIN STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLES OF GROUND LEVEL RETAIL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE RATHER THAN STRICTLY COMMERCIAL. 
          SO I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AROUND THE MAIN STREET PIECE, WHY MAYBE SOME HOUSING WAS DISTRIBUTED BACK FURTHER IN THE SITE RATHER THAN, AGAIN, CLUSTERED, UM, BACKUP, UH, CLOSE TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SO I'LL LEAVE IT, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. 
          WELL, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, RETAIL AT THE BASE OF, OF RESIDENTIAL IS A VERY NICE, UH, ORGANIZATION. 
          UH, AND WE'VE WRAPPED UP, THAT'S WHAT THE RED IS AND WE'VE WRAPPED IT AROUND BECAUSE VISIBILITY OFF CONCORD AVE IS, IS VERY GOOD FOR THAT. 
          FOR THE RETAIL, UM, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS WE HAD A, WE HAD A REALLY NICE FOOTPRINT HERE FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT WOULD, WE COULD HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH OVER TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S INTERESTING, THE, YOU, WHEN, WHEN LIFE SCIENCE DOES RETURN, UM, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW, HOW IT DOES RETURN, UM, MEANING, UM, WITH, UH, BUILDINGS THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR MULTIPLE USERS OR WITH BUILDINGS THAT WERE DESIGNED THAT ARE, ARE ALMOST BUILT TO SUITS FOR, FOR, UH, FOR SINGLE USERS. 
          UH, AND, AND BY THE WAY, THE, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME WHEN WE'RE INVOLVED WITH THE, THE, THE TENANT PART OF DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, THE, THE, THE CEOS WHO ARE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT LOCATION, UM, ARE VERY MUCH INFLUENCED BY WHAT HAPPENS AT STREET LEVEL, UM, THAT THEY, THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT TALENT AND, UM, TALENT WANTS TO HAVE A GOOD PLACE TO GO TO LUNCH. 
          UM, A A PLACE TO HAVE A BEER AFTER, AFTER WORK, UH, A PLACE TO GO FOR A RUN AT, AT LUNCHTIME ALONG TRAILS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE SINGLE PURPOSE OFFICE PARKS ARE KIND OF DINOSAURS, UM, AND, UH, IN, IN, IN MANY CASES, UM, NOT PROSPERING. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE, LIKE I SAY, THE, THE, THE, THE HUMAN RESOURCES FOLKS KNOW THAT TO ATTRACT TALENT, UH, I GOTTA, I I WANT TO BE IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T, UM, PEOPLE DON'T DIVIDE UP THEIR LIVES THE WAY THEY USED TO. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, UH, UH, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD, YOU HAD A, A WORK PART OF YOUR DAY AND YOU HAD A PLAY PART OF YOUR DAY AND A FITNESS PART OF YOUR DAY. 
          YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY MIX ALL THOSE PEOPLE, ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES UP, THEY BLUR THE EDGES. 
          UH, AND, UH, HAVING THOSE KINDS OF AMENITIES, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, AND YOU'LL HEAR OFTEN, AND I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, IF YOU TALK TO ANY OF THESE, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE BUILDING MULTI, MULTI, UM, USE ENVIRONMENTS LIKE THIS IN, IN CAMBRIDGE OR ANYWHERE ELSE, VERY OFTEN THE RETAIL IS NOT, HAS NO NET REVENUE. 
          UH, IT'S AN AMENITY THAT, UM, IS AN ATTRACTION TO THE USERS IN THE, IN THE BUILDINGS ABOVE, UH, AND IT MAKES BETTER NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          I'M, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THIS  THAT THIS PHENOMENON HAS HAPPENED WHERE YOU SEE IN KENDALL SQUARE NOW THAT THE BASE OF ALL THOSE BUILDINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, AT, AT ALL, PEOPLE HAVE RETAIL AT THE BASE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT MAKES FOR GOOD CITIES, GOOD, GOOD NEIGHBORHOODS, GOOD SIDEWALKS, PEOPLE ON THE STREET. 
          UM, THOSE COMMUNITY, UH, I, IT'S A, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SINGLE USE OFFICE PARKS, UM, THEY'RE KIND OF, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE DINOSAURS. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, CAN I ALSO JUST ADD TO MEMBER ANDERSON, JIM AND JIM RAFFERTY HAS PLAYED THE, THE EXCELLENT ROLE REMINDING ME OF MY SCHOOL LIBRARIAN BACK AT THE PEABODY SCHOOL OF CAUTIONING US. 
          UH, TO NOT GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'VE YET TO GET TO THE PLANNING BOARD OFFICIALLY, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME MORE DETAIL 
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ON THE OPEN SPACES. 
          UM, WE HAVE HEARD FROM BOTH STAFF AND COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, KNOW THEY WANNA SEE LIKE, WHAT, WHAT WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN, IN SOME OF THESE SPACES? AND I, WE'LL BE GIVING YOU MORE COLOR ON BOTH ACTIVE USES AND OPEN SPACES SO THAT THAT'S YET TO COME. 
          I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          I, IT, IT'S GOOD TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT WE'RE IN A PRE-APPLICATION PROCESS AND WE'LL GET ANOTHER SWING AT THE, AT THE PLATE HERE LATER ON WHEN THERE'S MORE DETAIL ON THE INTENTION TONIGHT IS TO GET TO UNDERSTAND OUR GENERAL CONCERNS, GET TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER, UH, AND GIVE YOU FEEDBACK. 
          UH, SO BOARD IS, I THINK QUESTIONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, BUT, UH, WE DON'T REALLY NEED ALL OF THE DETAILS WITH THAT. 
          CAROLYN, UH, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT FOR US? UM, WITH, WITH THOSE LAST COMMENTS IN MIND? I WILL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE SOME ACTIVE USE AT THE BASE OF THE PARKING STRUCTURES ACT, STREET LEVEL RETAIL, AT LEAST ALONG KIND OF THE SIDE FACING MAIN STREET FOR THE PARK FOR THAT IS WHAT P THREE IS THAT, UM, BUT FOR THE OTHER PARKING STRUCTURES AS WELL. 
          AND THEN, UM, MY BROADER QUESTIONS, UM, I THINK ARE FOR THE DESIGN TEAM AND OWNERSHIP ABOUT SITE-WIDE SUSTAINABILITY AND, AND, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY FROM A MASTER PLAN PERSPECTIVE. 
          WHETHER YOU'RE CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE AN ENVISION CERTIFICATION, WHICH LOOKS AT IN SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE PERMEABILITY, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DISTRICT ENERGY, GIVEN THE MIXED USES HERE, UM, AND GENERALLY HOW YOU'RE, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IT'S EARLY DAYS, UM, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING AND HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT AT THIS STAGE. 
          RI RYLAND PROBABLY IS BEST TO ANSWER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, UH, MEMBERS ZERN, WE'VE BEEN CHALLENGED, UM, YOU'LL BE PLEASED TO KNOW. 
          WE'VE BEEN CHALLENGED BY STAFF TO EXPLORE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, UM, INCLUDING DISTRICT ENERGY AND, UM MM-HMM . 
          BLACKWATER. 
          AND SO I'LL LET RYLAND, UM, AND THAT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, AND SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH TIMING AND SORT OF WHEN, WHEN THINGS ARE DELIVERED AND WHEREVER SOURCE IS. 
          BUT RYLAND, SORRY, JIM, GO ROWLAND, DO YOU WANNA YEP. 
          EXPRESS SOME EXCITEMENT FOR THIS TOPIC? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE AN ALL ELECTRIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE WILL BE NO FOSSIL FUEL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, ALL OF THE LAB BUILDINGS WILL BE BUILT TO LEAD GOLD STANDARDS. 
          UH, THE MULTIFAMILY WILL BE PASSIVE HOUSE. 
          UM, REGARDING PERMEABLE, I THINK WE'RE IN EXCESS OF THE 25% REQUIREMENT, UM, SINCE ONE OF THE KEY POINTS OF THE COMMUNITY WAS TO HAVE LARGE, UM, CONTIGUOUS PIECES OF OPEN SPACE. 
          UM, A LOT OF THAT COMES FROM THE MOONY QUAD AREA AS WELL AS THE 26 SMITH PLACE. 
          UM, PART, UM, ADDITIONALLY, AS ANTHONY MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW MEETINGS WITH, UH, THE CITY, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF SUSTAINABILITY WITH THE CITY REGARDING A GEOTHERMAL, UH, DISTRICT. 
          AND WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH EVERSOURCE. 
          UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING THROUGH A PROGRAM, A CITY AND EVERSOURCE PARTNER PROGRAM FOR GEOTHERMAL DISTRICT, UM, THERMAL SOLUTIONS. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS WE TRY TO HASH OUT THOSE, THAT PROGRAM. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, HEALTH PEAK AS A WHOLE HAS A PRETTY, UM, ROBUST SUSTAINABILITY REQUIREMENT. 
          A VAST MAJORITY OF OUR, UH, LIFE SCIENCE OF BUILDINGS ARE BUILT TO LEAD GOLD STANDARDS. 
          AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE WHEN IT COMES TO SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND I'M SURE THERE'S A VARIETY OF SUSTAINABLE GOALS THAT I, I'M MISSING . 
          SO WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH A COMPREHENSIVE LIST. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, CAROLYN, DOES THAT, UH, ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS? YES. 
          GREAT. 
          I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, TED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PROBABLY HYPOTHETICALS FOR YOU. 
          UM, MY FIRST DAY ON THE PLANNING BOARD, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, WE WERE TOLD WITH GREAT ENTHUSIASM ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE THIS BRIDGE OVER THE TRACKS. 
          SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE REAL STATUS OF HAVING A BRIDGE OVER THE TRACKS AND HAS THE MBTA AGREED TO IT? UH, A SIMILAR QUESTION IS, UH, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF INTEREST IN THERE BEING A COMMUTER RAIL STATION RIGHT THERE. 
          AND SO WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT? AND ONCE UPON A TIME, I HEARD THAT IF THERE WERE TO BE A COMMUTER RAIL STATION THERE, THEY WOULD CLOSE DOWN THE PORTER SQUARE STATION. 
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UH, I I, IS THAT STILL THE POSSIBILITY? AND IF SO, IN ADDITION TO AIR WIFE, HAVE YOU BEEN LOOKING INTO, AND HAS THE CITY BEEN LOOKING INTO WHAT HAPPENS TO AIR WIFE? UM, COULD YOU PUT UP THE IMAGE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE DPW PER PERHAPS DPW SITE IS? UH, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IT, IT'S, IT'S THERE. 
          SO IF THAT WERE TO BE THE DPW SITE, IS THAT GOING TO MEAN ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE KEPT THERE? AND IF SO, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT ALL THE TIMES WITH THE, THE STREETS YOU'RE CREATING AND THE PATHS YOU'RE CREATING? AND WHAT ARE THE INTERSECTIONS GOING TO BE LIKE? UM, STICKING WITH THAT PLAN? UH, YOUR PURPLE OR BLUE ARE PRESUMABLY PARKING STRUCTURES, BUT ON A LOT OF YOUR IMAGES, WE SAW GROUND LEVEL OPEN PARKING. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CONTROL AND ARE INTENDING TO KEEP? OR AT THE MOMENT NOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS OWNED BY OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER? UM, I THINK THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS RIGHT AT THE MOMENT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS, MR. MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, FORMER CHAIR AND, AND MEMBER COHEN. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY EASY TO GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER FROM THE MBTA. 
          YES, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IN FAIRNESS TO THE T UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE AL WIFE, UH, GARAGE WAS OUT TO BID, UM, WHEN THE LAB MARKET WAS RED HOT. 
          THAT HAS BEEN PULLED BACK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE LAB LAB WOULD'VE HAD TO UNDERWRITE THAT PROJECT. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE OF DIRECTION. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THE, THE LAND THAT ONE OF THE PIECE OF LAND THAT IS OF INTEREST TO US WAS DECLARED SURPLUS AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE HAVING GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH THE CITY AND THE MBTA. 
          UM, WE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOCUSED ON, UH, THE GENERAL LOCATION THAT WE'VE DESCRIBED. 
          UM, AND WE, AND WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO. 
          WE PROBABLY ARE GONNA NEED SOME SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. 
          NOT, NOT TO OVERCOME, UM, ANY SPECIFIC CHALLENGES, ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE SOME. 
          BUT REALLY JUST TO GET MOMENTUM. 
          SO THE MBTA SEES THIS AS A PRIORITY, BUT THEY, THE MBTA AND MA START, THEY ALL ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT OF A BRIDGE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP BLOCKING AND TACKLING. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S AN ALIGNMENT 'CAUSE WE WANNA, WE WANNA, THE CITY'S GONNA ULTIMATELY OWN THE BRIDGE, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE CITY IS COMFORTABLE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WANNA GET EVERYONE RALLIED TO, TO SUPPORT WHAT WE WILL NEED IN TERMS OF, UM, PROPERTY INTERESTS, UH, EASEMENTS, ET CETERA. 
          FROM THE TI DO WANNA JUST SHOUT OUT THE COMMUNITY'S BEEN VOCAL ABOUT COMMUTER RAIL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A STUDY THAT SHOWS USAGE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT THERE. 
          UH, THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ACCOMMODATES A COMMUTER RAIL. 
          'CAUSE THAT MESSAGE CAME LOUD AND CLEAR, UH, FROM ERIC RENBAUM AND, AND OTHERS. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE DESIGNED THE LOCATION TO ACCOMMODATE A POTENTIAL COMMUTER RAIL, THE MBTA, YOU KNOW, BY THE, BY THE TIME THAT GETS DECIDED, THERE MAY BE OTHER VARIATIONS OF, OF RAIL LINE, UM, CLOSER TO ELECTRIFICATION WITH THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH STOPPAGES OF THE COMMUTER RAIL. 
          SO LIKE THAT'S FOR THE TEE TO DECIDE WHETHER THERE'S ANOTHER VARIATION OF, OF, UM, TRANSPORTATION OPTION FOR COMMUTERS THERE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO LEAVE ALL OPTIONS OPEN, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THOSE AVENUES ARE OPEN TO THE T. 
          THE OTHER PIECE, UM, MEMBER COHEN IS ELECTRIFICATION AND SORT OF HOW, HOW THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THEIR, UM, FEELINGS ABOUT SPATIAL ISSUES ALONG THE LINE. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO THERE, BUT WE'RE, THIS TEAM IS VERY COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE WE'RE ALIGNED WITH BOTH, UM, THE MBTA AND THE CITY AND, AND WE'VE MADE PROGRESS. 
          I DO WANT TO INDICATE, 'CAUSE ASHLEY, EXCUSE ME, MEMBER TAN AND OTHERS HAVE ASKED ABOUT DPWI DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF TURN ON THIS, BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT CONVEYED. 
          UM, HEALTH PEAK IS NOT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY CONVEYED, UH, IRRESPECTIVE OF PERSPECTIVE NECESSARILY HOW IT LINES UP WITH THE HEIGHT BONUS. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE 
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IMPORTANCE OF BOTH DPW AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN IRRESPECTIVE OF SPECIF SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. 
          UM, REMEMBER CALLING YOU, YOU PROBABLY WANNA HAVE MORE CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH CARA FELISE AND OTHERS. 
          THEY'VE BEEN DILIGENT OF MAKE DILIGENT IN MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE DELIVER GIVES THEM THE ACCESS THEY NEED AND IS NOT INTERFERED WITH BY EITHER CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OR, UH, THE PLAN. 
          SO WE ARE IN CONSTANT CONVERSATION, UM, WITH DPW, BUT IT'D PROBABLY BEST FOR DPW TO SPEAK, UM, FOR DPW. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          , TED, YOU'VE GOT YOUR, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ADDRESSED. 
          YOU HAVE MORE, UH, WELL, WELL, I STILL HAVE OBSERVATIONS. 
          I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          GOOD. 
          AND I GUESS ONE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF THE BRIDGE WERE NOT TO OCCUR NOT TO HAPPEN, UM, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT HEALTH BEAK HAS OR DO YOU GO FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU WILL BE ULTIMATELY, UH, SUBMITTING? WELL, CO WE, WE HAVE, UH, AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE ON US TO DELIVER THE BRIDGE BECAUSE THE ZONING STOPS OUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IF WE DON'T. 
          SO WE ARE APPROACHING THE BRIDGE AS AND AND TO THE CITY'S CREDIT. 
          AND I THINK THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING STAFF IN MAKING SURE THAT THESE PUD ZONING, UM, PACKAGES HAVE REAL TEETH, BUT WE, WE, WE HIT A DEAD STOP IF WE DON'T, UM, DELIVER THE BRIDGE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THAT CHALLENGE ON AS ESSENTIAL, NOT AS, UH, POTENTIALLY NOT. 
          UM, IF, IF, IF THE STARS ALIGN WHERE TIMING OF OUR BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE AND THE, THE, THE T COMES FORWARD WITH SUPPORT FOR A COMMUTER OR SOME OTHER FORM OF RAIL, AND WE CAN ALIGN THOSE TWO THINGS, WHICH WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND MAKE MORE SENSE. 
          I KNOW HEALTH BE'S COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A WIN-WIN IF WE CAN GET BOTH A, A CROSSING AND A A STOP THERE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALL YOU, WE THE, WE'RE ALL ALIGNED IN TERMS OF, UH, THE GOALS. 
          IT'S JUST, SOME OF IT IS AROUND TIMING. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE GONNA NEED SOME SUPPORT, NOT, NOT BECAUSE THE MBTA OR MATA IS, UH, NOT IN SUPPORT, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUREAUCRACY THERE AND WHEN YOU . 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          WELL, I, I, FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS HAVE COVERED THE MAJORITY OF MY CONCERNS. 
          I JUST, AND, AND THAT FINAL, UH, UH, EXCHANGE WAS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE, UH, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE HOUSING IS, UH, NOT VIABLE WITHOUT THE BRIDGE. 
          IT TURNS OUT, WELL, THE COMMERCIAL IS 'CAUSE IT WON'T WORK. 
          IT'S, UM, THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT VIABLE, UH, FOR YOU FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE RELATIVE TO THE ZONING THAT'S MEMORIALIZED IN THE DEAL WITH THE CITY AND APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO, UM, I, I WAS CONCERNED AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE IN PREPARATION FOR THE HEARING TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, IN PAGE 13, 14, 16 AND 17, WHICH ARE ALL PLAN METRIC, DO NOT SHOW THE BRIDGE. 
          LIKE, ARE THESE GUYS REALLY COMMITTED TO IT? WHAT'S GOING ON? I'D LOVE TO SEE IT SHOWN IN THE RENDERING, SHOWN IN THE BRIDGE. 
          SO I HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT, UM, UH, AND, AND YOU CAN BEGIN TO IMAGINE THE THING, UH, SO SOME ASSURANCE THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT, UH, AS I SAY, THIS EXCHANGE JUST NOW IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, AND I GUESS LASTLY, UH, ON A TOUR RECENTLY, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DONE SOME TOURS OF, UH, KENDALL SQUARE AND OTHER PARTS OF, UM, OF THE CITY, UH, ALSO, UH, ALEWIFE. 
          UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT OPEN SPACES, UH, WHERE THERE WAS SOME AMBIGUITY ABOUT WHETHER THEY WERE ACTUALLY PUBLIC OR NOT. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT, OH, WELL, WE'LL PUT UP A SIGN THAT SAYS, YES, THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO USE THIS SPACE. 
          IF WE HAVE TO PUT UP SIGNS TO TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GO SOMEPLACE. 
          THAT'S A FAIL. 
          IN TERMS OF, UM, MY PERSPECTIVE AS A DESIGNER, UH, AND A CITY DESIGNER, WE HAVE TO PUT UP A SIGNS TO INDICATE THAT, THAT, THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC PLACE TO BE. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSIONS, UM, IN THE DETAILED, UH, PLANNING, UH, THAT, UH, WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH WITH THIS PROPONENT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TERRACES AND DECKS THAT, UH, DAVID SO BEAUTIFULLY DESCRIBED, UM, IN FACT OUR WELCOMING AND ARE CLEARLY AVAILABLE TO, UH, ALL CITIZENS OF CAMBRIDGE AT ANY TIME. 
          SO, UM, A DETAIL, UM, THAT RIGHTFULLY WE GET, UH, GET TO IN THE NEXT ROUND OF HEARINGS. 
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BUT WITH THAT, I THINK THAT CONCLUDE, OH, DAN'S GOT DID CHAIR. 
          YES, MR. CHAIR. 
          MARY, I'M SORRY, YOUR, YOUR HAND IS THE SAME COLOR AS YOUR WALLPAPER. 
          THAT'S WHY I KNOW I'LL CHANGE IT. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          , IT'S THE SAME. 
          EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME PROBLEM. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          JUST THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I RAISED MY HAND. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, DAN. 
          THANK YOU DAN . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, UH, I HAD, UH, JUST, UH, TWO THOUGHTS. 
          ONE IS IN REGARDS TO THE CONNECTION TO, UH, TRADER JOE'S. 
          I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU FOCUS ON IT BEING AT LEAST PEDESTRIAN, UM, AND, UM, HOPEFULLY BICYCLE. 
          BUT AS I RECALL WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE VERY LARGE HOUSING, UH, PROJECT THAT'S ACROSS FROM THE TRANSFORMER STATION, UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT, UM, UH, VEHICULAR, A VEHICULAR CONNECTION SO THAT YOU COULD GET THROUGH TO TRADER JOE'S AND MAYBE OUT TO THE PARKWAY, UM, THAT WAY RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO OUT TO, UH, CONCORD OUT. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHETHER THAT IS STILL, UM, AN OPTION AND IF IT'S BEING DISCUSSED. 
          AND THEN, UM, I, I WAS VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU HAD GONE BACK TO THE WORKING GROUP, UH, TO BE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR THINKING WAS STILL IN SYNC WITH WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE THINKING IN THE ZONING. 
          UM, I THINK YOU, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE GET APPLICATIONS, THEY JUST TELL US WE HAD THESE MEETINGS AND THE PUBLIC PROCESS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY GIVE US A FLAVOR OF, OF ALL OF THE ISSUES THEY, YOU KNOW, AND PARTICULARLY NOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE STILL ON THE TABLE, UM, SO TO SPEAK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S POINT OF VIEW. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE IN, IN, WHEN WE SEE THE APPLICATION, IF THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF SUMMARY OF TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, UM, AND IF THERE ARE ANY IN PARTICULAR THAT, UM, THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, TO MEET, UH, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, UH, THAT ARE STILL SIGNIFICANT FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, IF THERE COULD BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE, UM, IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING NOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WHERE YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK THINGS THROUGH WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I WOULD SAY I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE VALIDATING TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THEY SEE, UH, ALL THE ISSUES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT IS, UM, SOME OF IT IS JUST HA ASKING US TO HAVE THE VISION FOR CERTAIN THINGS AS PLAY AS THEY PLAY OUT. 
          UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND PART OF THE PROCESS ALSO HAS BEEN KEEPING FOLKS UP WITH THE ECONOMIC CHANGES IN ECONOMIC TIMELINE AND SORT OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN EARLIER OR LATER. 
          UM, AS FOR TERM, AS FOR TERMINAL ROAD. 
          AND, UM, I WAS A BIG PART OF CREATING SOME OF THE EXCITEMENT AROUND THIS, THE LAST MEETING THAT I HAD, AND I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY WITH, UM, IAN STEWART, MAYBE ANTENNA DOUG BROWN. 
          WE WENT IN AND MET WITH CITY ADMINISTRATION A WHILE AGO. 
          THERE WAS STILL SOME THOUGHT TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE WAY VEHICULAR. 
          THE PROBLEM IS JUST THE SPATIAL, UM, REALITIES AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE DEMANDS WE HAVE ON EVERSOURCE, ASKING THEM TO GIVE UP LAND WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THEIR ABILITY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIFICATION IS A LITTLE AWKWARD, BUT THERE WAS STILL A PLAN. 
          I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT AS, AS SO COMMUNITY CAN GET A, CAN GET A, A GO AROUND. 
          SO RESIDENTS FROM CAMBRIDGE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR KIDS PLAYING IN GIRL SOFTBALL IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY OR SOMETHING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE NIGHTMARE, UM, OF THE ROTARIES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT, THE, IT'S, IT'S, I KNOW KATHY HAS INDICATED THEY'RE STILL STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF IT. 
          I IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING EVERSOURCE TO AGREE, UM, TO, TO A COMMITMENT OF SPACE. 
          AND THEN WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THAT PARTICULAR SPACE? IT'S NOT OUR LAND. 
          WE OBVIOUSLY NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE'RE, WE, WE BELIEVE IN IT. 
          WE THINK IT'D BE GREAT. 
          UM, THE MBTA IS IMPORTANT ON THE MULTI-USE PATH, BUT THE TERMINAL IS, TERMINAL IS IS EVERSOURCE. 
          EVERSOURCE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I, YEAH, I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION. 
          AND I, I DO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS, UM, WHEN YOU TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A, A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE. 
          UM, BUT I AM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IT IS STILL OF INTEREST AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT HAPPENS IS, IS ANOTHER THING. 
          BUT I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          ASHLEY. 
          UH, THANK YOU MS. CHER. 
          JUST 
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TO CONFIRM, HAVE WE MOVED ON TO COMMENTS? I HAVE THREE BRIEF YES. 
          BRIEF COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I GUESS THE FIRST ONE IS JUST, ONE THING I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE NEXT TIME, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WILL BE AN APPLICATION, IS JUST, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE PLAY AREAS OR PLAYGROUNDS. 
          I THINK THAT'S ONE THING. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS IS HIGH LEVEL RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, I THINK NEXT TIME WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO SEE THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE, UM, A OF DESIGN GUIDELINES IS TO HAVE, UM, A LITTLE MORE PLAY AREA. 
          'CAUSE THERE, THERE CURRENTLY IS NONE AND NONE NEARBY. 
          UM, THE OTHER ONE, UH, AS TOM ALLUDED TO, I THINK WAY FINDING PLANS WOULD BE HELPFUL, JUST 'CAUSE STREETS IN THIS AREA VERY COMPLICATED AND ARE CLEAR HOW TO GET AROUND. 
          UM, AND THE LAST THING, WHICH DAN ALLUDED TO, WHICH IS ONE THING I WAS HOPING TO SEE, AND I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MARKET CONDITIONS, IT'S HARD TO, UM, PLAN THINGS THE WAY WE OR DESIGN THINGS, THE WAY WE PLANNED THEM ORIGINALLY IS, UM, THE, I THINK ORIGINALLY IN THE ZONING PLAN, OR MAYBE IT WAS THE DESIGN PLAN, UM, THE AREA AROUND WHAT'S CALLED THE NEW MAIN STREET RIGHT NOW WOULD BE MOSTLY MIXED EXCUSE WHERE RESIDENTIAL, JUST TO ADD A LITTLE MORE LIFE, UM, DOWN THAT STREET. 
          AND I KNOW, UM, ATTORNEY RAFFERTY MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE REASONS WHY IT COULDN'T QUITE BE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, IF THERE ARE WAYS TO EVEN, YEAH, JUST SOMEHOW MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE LIVELY, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU ASHLEY. 
          AND YOU REMIND ME, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE ASKED FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, UM, WE, WE CONVENTIONALLY WILL SPLIT QUESTIONS FROM COMMENTS. 
          SO IF THERE ARE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT FEEL THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE THEY MISUNDERSTOOD THE PHASES THAT WE WERE IN, I'D APPRECIATE, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND ANYBODY HAVE A FURTHER COMMENT? UH, THEY WANNA ADD? GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THAT COVERS THE FEEDBACK AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE PATIENCE OF THE PETITIONER TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS OF THE, OF THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE EVOLUTION OF THIS PLAN, BUT THE BOARD AT THIS POINT HAS A, UM, AS A DECISION TO MAKE THERE, I WAS JUST CHECKING THE, UH, THE ATTENDEES, THERE'S ABOUT 26, 25 OR 26 PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING IN. 
          UH, TED, YOU WANNA, OH, I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          25 OR 26 PEOPLE LISTENING IN. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT OBLIGED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT. 
          I MEAN, THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FAMILIARITY WITH, UH, THE INTENT OF THE PETITIONER. 
          IT'S A VOLUNTARY, UM, UH, HEARING. 
          UH, AND, UH, ALSO THE INTENT IS ALSO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, OUR CONCERNS ARE GENERALLY, AND THE PETITIONERS, UH, ANSWER TO THOSE CONCERNS. 
          UM, AS I SAY, WE'RE NOT OBLIGED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT, UH, IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HEAR, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          OBVIOUSLY AT THE FURTHER HEARINGS WE WOULD NECESSARILY BE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND I DO, UH, ALSO UNDERSTAND AT THE OUTSET OF THE PRESENTATION, UH, LENGTHY DESCRIPTIONS OF GREAT COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE FOCUSED BLOCK PARTIES RE UH, UH, CONVENING WITH THE WORKING GROUP, WHICH I, I WAS STRUCK BY, UH, THAT, AND ALSO THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS ALSO SAID, TAKEN EXTENSIVE SURVEYS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          SO THERE HAS BEEN AMPLE, UH, UH, FEEDBACK. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, BUT IT'S UP TO US WHETHER WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ENTERTAIN, UH, UH, CONCERNS AND COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          HOW ARE BOARD MEMBERS FEELING TED? UM, WELL, PERSONALLY, I THINK WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ALREADY FROM THE PUBLIC, AND CERTAINLY, UH, IT'S NOT A HEARING AND WE COULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THEM OPEN. 
          UH, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, I, I THINK THE PURPOSE, AS YOU'VE STATED MR. CHAIR, IS FOR US, THE PLANNING BOARD TO HEAR WHAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE PROPONENT IS SAYING. 
          AND, UH, SINCE SO MANY THINGS ARE STILL, UH, UP IN THE AIR AS IT WERE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, WOULD NECESSARILY ADD ANYTHING TO US RIGHT. 
          AT THIS POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM, BUT IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD GET ANYTHING ADDITIONAL RIGHT NOW, BUT CERTAINLY ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO WRITE TO US WOULD BE, WOULD 
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BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I DID APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE, THE FEW, UH, LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVE ALREADY, UH, FOR TONIGHT. 
          VERY THOUGHTFUL, UH, CONCERNS RAISED. 
          UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A FEELING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ON, UH, AT THIS JUNCTURE IN THE HEARING? I, I WOULD, UM, AGREE WITH, UH, BOTH OF YOU. 
          I THINK I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE, IF, IF PEOPLE DO WANNA WRITE AND ON, ON WHAT THEY'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          BUT AS YOU SAID, THINGS ARE STILL VERY IN FLUX AND, UH, AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE HEARINGS COMING UP. 
          SO, UM, I THINK BETWEEN WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, UH, IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION AND WHAT IS SCHEDULED, I THINK WE'RE GONNA COVER IT ADEQUATELY. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, THAT'S GENERALLY MY SENTIMENT AS WELL, UH, THAT WE ENCOURAGE INPUT, UH, BUT AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, UM, UH, GIVEN HOW THIS, THE STAGE OF THE PLANNING, IT MAKES SENSE TO, UM, GET THAT INPUT, UH, WHEN WE'RE MORE FOCUSED ON SPECIFIC PROPOSALS AND DETAILS. 
          SO I THINK AT THAT POINT, UM, UH, UH, I, THERE, IS THERE A MOTION THEN, UH, I GUESS TO CONCLUDE, UH, OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT? UM, AND WITHOUT TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT, OH, UH, JUST A MOTION TO CONCLUDE THE DISCUSSION. 
          UH, TED. 
          SO MOVED. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND MARY. 
          THANK YOU, MARY, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE ON THAT MOTION, PLEASE. 
          JEFF, ON THAT MOTION. 
          TED COHEN. 
          YES. 
          MARY FLYNN. 
          YES. 
          DIEGO MACIAS. 
          YES. 
          ASHLEY TAN. 
          YES. 
          CAROLYN ZERN. 
          YES. 
          THOMPSON. 
          AVI? YES. 
          THAT'S ALL MEMBERS PRESENT. 
          VOTING IN FAVOR. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING. 
          AND, UM, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM STAFF OR BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS POINT? AND IF NOT, UM, WE WILL ADJOURN.
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